Did Obama win because Romney is Mormon?

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  1. SolaSaint

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    I know of a few people who wouldn't vote for either candidate. Obama for his Marxists views and Romney because he is Mormon. How many in our country felt the same? I heard today on Fox that many less voted in this election than in 2008, could it be that these several million voters really couldn't vote for a Mormon? What if Romney was Baptist or Methodist, would we be celebrating right now? I hear no media outlets positing this. What do you say?
     
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    I say that roughly 1/2 of the population only cares what big government has promised to do for them and they want to keep the bennies coming and there was only one candidate that they could count on to do that and it wasn't the Mormon.

    Yes, there were many Republicans/Conservatives/Evangelicals who sat this one out.

    It is sad that too few people on both sides care little about the different platforms or for the national debt on future generations should the Lord tarry. It is sad that this generation, an ungrateful generation (IMO), will not leave the same legacy to our children and grandchildren that our forefathers left for us. The demographics, the patriotism, the care and handling of our nation, have all changed. It gives me the blues.

    On the other hand, the rapture may just be around the corner, and that is MY Great HOPE AND CHANGE!!! :thumbs:
     
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    Since the 47% or the takers will vote for whoever gives them what they want without regard to morals--Bill Clinton, Obama and probably Hillary in 2016. Who can the GOP find that we Conservative Evangelicals unite around? Are we too picky, the left sure isn't, they love a community organizer who hates the America of the past.
     
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    I think there is a lot of truth to this. When you've got folks who, early on in the process, feeling like they simply weren't given a choice they could make, a lot of folks sat it out.

    This reminds me a lot of what the GOP did in 2008. There was a lot of excitement on the Dem side because they were either going to elect the first female or black nominee for the Presidency. And the GOP countered with the same old, same old and not even someone the base was enthused about.

    And that's been the problem.

    If Paul Ryan had been at the top of the ticket, Republican enthusiasm would have probably been off the chart because he's young, smart, charismatic and conservative. President Obama would have gotten blown out the water.

    But if just 10% of Southern Baptists decided to sit this one out or to vote for a third party candidate instead of the GOP candidate, then that's the election.

    For the GOP to remain a viable party, they have got to go young and conservative. They need fresh faces who look like they've got some spunk about them.
     
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    2008 vote: Obama: 69,456,897 McCain: 59,934,814

    2012 vote: Obama: 60,652,149 Romney: 57,810,390

    Obama got ~8 million fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008. Romney got ~ 2 million fewer votes than McCain. Given the sorry record of Obama and the promise of four more years of the same it is obvious that Romney could have won easily if people would turn out and vote for him. I really thought that would happen. So people will get exactly what they deserve and anyone who didn't vote has no right to complain, but they will.

    I still believe that the abortionist in chief was elected because people who claim to be disciples of Jesus Christ put him in office! Furthermore, I believe many did not vote for Romney because he is a Mormon.
     
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    And I say good for them. People who claimed to be disciples of Christ also supported a man who is against Christ.

    I believe what is to be gleaned from this entire election process is that Christians need to be about God's business and to not lose sight of that for anything else.
     
  7. Aaron

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    No. The Republicans lost because they didn't put out a conservative candidate. It's as simple as that.

    In a way, I'm glad the coming oppression and depression can only be laid at the feet of the phony president. However, my conscience is clear. I voted against him and his crimes.
     
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    That was also part of the equation. Folks didn't trust him to be a true conservative. He was the granddaddy of Obamacare so it would have been hard to distinguish between himself and Obama there, and he is a Mormon.

    He had his feet cut from under him in many areas.

    So is that really the best the GOP could do was to push someone with that many glaring negatives against him?

    And why did we hear so little about Obamacare during this election cycle?
     
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    If the republican candidate in 2008 and 2012 only have a 2 mil vote difference then I would say that Mormonism had very little to do with voter turnout.
     
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    The vote shows that Obama was viewed far differently in 2008 than 2012! Rove said this morning that the black vote was down only slightly while the Latino vote was up by about 800,000. I believe that Romney's Mormonism caused some people not to vote. Anyhow we have Obama for 4 more years and pe`ople will get more than they asked for I suspect!
     
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    I don't know that a drop of 8 Mil votes for Obama is all that significant.
    By and large nothing change from Monday to Wednesday other than there is now no way to hold Obama accountable unless there is a conservative sweep in 2014.

    It was largely a status quo event, IMO. I can only think of 1 person I know who did not vote and it was not because of Mormonism. It was because they didn't think Romney would do anything majorly different (ex: not repealing Obamacare but making it more like Romneycare).
     
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    I have doubts as to whether Romney's mormonism was significant enough to change one million votes, or more importantly, a single state. Even if that was a part of it, over all it's that voting for a lesser evil does not inspire enough of the 40% in the middle, who do not vote straight party and can be swayed by their perceptions at the time. It's identification with people that makes the big difference; that is, liking who they are and/or perceiving them as "one of us." While few besides Mormons identify with a Mormon, many identify, or 'like,' a person of self-made success. However, Romney was too rich and wasn't really perceived as self-made in that way. So IMO there was too much more involved to say being a mormon kept him from being elected.

    It's quite early to start considering this, but Texas elected a new Senator, Republican Ted Cruz, son of a Cuban who fled to Florida. With the identificatio factor being so important,.. yes, he might be candidate to consider in the future. I don't know much about him yet, but we'll see. Or perhaps the ticket needs to be a Florida/Ohio pres./VP, at least one black or hispanic. But 2 white men whose own states won't vote for them may never work again.
     
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    Yes----but isn't it a shame that those of us who DO care about where the country is headed--------------will find themselves getting in on what others asked for!!??????

    We can hide behind the possibility of the rapture of the church all we want but if THAT doesn't happen in the next 4 years------

    ---We will reap what others have sown in this election!!! I mean--think about that possibility---the possibility of the United States "tilting" under the current "O" administration---and we see the likes of the rumor I've heard of the state of Texas seceding(and other states following suite---and the United States is no longer the United States-----all this---before the Lord's return!!!----and WE get in on the collapse of a nation that our forefathers inked into being!!!!!
     
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    There was nothing wrong with Romney, he would have made a good President.

    All one has to do is look at the map, you will see the same results, or nearly the same results every election. The north-east states, Florida, the northern mid-west states, and the west coast will almost always vote Democrat, the southern, central, and western states vote Republican.

    There two Americas, there are conservative Americans and liberal Americans. They have very opposite values and goals. The liberals support same sex marriage, abortion and all of your ungodly positions, the conservatives are far more religious and support traditional marriage and are pro-life etc...

    It would take a real disaster to make the liberals go conservative. We had a 50/50 vote in 2000, that took months to iron out. 2004 the liberals went for Bush, primarily because everyone still remembered 9/11. In 2008 they forgot and so went liberal again.

    It would be almost impossible to get a conservative President now, simply because the liberals outnumber the conservatives. It is as simple as that. Only if a serious crisis arises will a conservative come to power again.
     
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    I am not hiding behind the rapture of the Church because I don't believe that is going to happen. Of course at my age I could be raptured out at any time. This could be rushed somewhat once the "Obama death panel" begins its grisly job!

    I have noted before that the innocent often suffer with the guilty. That is certainly going to happen in the years to come. I have the comfort of knowing that no one in my immediate family voted for Obama and it is likely that no one in my extended family did unless it is a nephew who lives on the left coast. I am particularly proud of my grandchildren for their stand against the leftist democrats and their support of the Constitution and liberty
     
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    RE: The OP

    I don't think Romney's Mormonism hurt him in the end. We're a pluralistic society and people, frankly, no longer care if a politician claims a creed or not. However, he did have to spend time defining himself to evangelicals, time which could have been used to speak to issues.

    IMHO, Romney lost because he was a bad candidate who is a moderate Republican and seen, essentially, as being the Caucasian version of his opponent.

    He never defined himself for the electorate until it was too late.
     
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    But this happens all the time. Each of us have sown enough sin into the world that we shouldn't ever have to wonder about why we are in the crossfires of what someone else may have sown.

    Who really cares if the country fails? We're aliens anyhow just passing through. And if things get hard, oh well. We'll just suck it up and continue preaching the Gospel and snatching folks from the fire until God says it's time to go.:thumbs:
     
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    That is not true, not one word of it. We are to be salt and light in this world, tell others about the Gospel. Christ gives us a new life for eternity starting now. How can any Christian say, "if things get hard, oh well." We are in the world, not of the world. The idea is not to stick our heads in the sand until eternity. Paul had many times that things got hard, and if you have ever bothered to read the book of Acts and his letters, his reaction was not to say "oh well." He had faith in Christ to get him through any situation and continued to tell others about the Gospel. When in prison, he sang praises to God in chains. What version of the Bible do you read?
     
  20. convicted1

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    Nope, Obama won because people didn't want four years akin to the eight they had called "Hurricane Dubya".
     

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