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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by DaChaser1, Feb 20, 2012.

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  1. DaChaser1

    DaChaser1 New Member

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    God grants the saving faith by his own intiative, NOT mediated through the RCC!

    church again of Gos is the Body of Christ, those who have been saved, NOT the RCC, or any other earth bound/based organization!

    Eraly church was NOT what we call today as the RCC, that which is called RCC was Apostated of from the groups that taught true Christianity!

    The Lord revelaed the doctrines of faith/salvation to the reformers from his word, so even IF RCC was not around, would have still had that restablished in church!
     
    #21 DaChaser1, Feb 21, 2012
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    We are just going to have to agree to disagree. The Early Church is indeed the current day Catholic Church and it has always been true Christianity.
     
    #22 Thinkingstuff, Feb 21, 2012
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    >God grants the saving faith by his own intiative, NOT mediated through the RCC!

    You REALLY believe that? Or does the person first have to accept an offer of salvation?
     
    #23 billwald, Feb 21, 2012
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    The more I study the Early Church, the clearer it gets that it was the Catholic Church. The evidence is overwhelming.
     
    #24 Walter, Feb 21, 2012
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    So you would hold that an Apostate christian faith, that denies the cardinal truths of salvation would be the true church on christ on earth?
     
    #25 DaChaser1, Feb 21, 2012
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    God has to enable the person before they can accept the person and work of Christ, as we are born spiritual blinded to pacing faith in jesus ina saving fashion!
     
    #26 DaChaser1, Feb 21, 2012
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    Some baptists claim the Apsotolic church was first baptist church!

    Again, jesus true church NOT one teaching a false Gospel!
     
    #27 DaChaser1, Feb 21, 2012
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    No, because - news flash - it isn't apostate
     
    #28 Matt Black, Feb 22, 2012
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    I don't see how anyone can read the New Testament and conclude that these churches had any of the characteristics of what would evolve into the hierarchical, superstition-laden, political and spiritual amalgamation known as the RCC.

    There is evidence for a "catholic" church, but not the Roman Catholic Church.
     
    #29 Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012
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    Do you need to use words like apostate to describe Catholics JF? Really! As a side note, the RCC is the largest growing Church today in the USA. Coming to a fellow Christian who is also Catholic with those type of words will only turn them off & then you will never achieve a meaningful dialog with them.
     
    #30 Earth Wind and Fire, Feb 22, 2012
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    I agree. I think they are seriously wrong on some issues, particularly polity and sacraments, but I wouldn't say apostate. The RC's are standing in the gap for traditional morality; we should stand with them. And they do hold to the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, so I don't see how they could be considered apostate.
     
    #31 Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012
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    Perhaps it would behoove you to describe in detail just what "true Christianity" is TH & then fit it to the tenants & doctrines of the RCC. That way you would provoke a dialog that could debate your claims.

    After 32 years of operating under that organization, I believe I have some knowledge of the doctrines & would love to debate their charter.
     
    #32 Earth Wind and Fire, Feb 22, 2012
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    Apostle paul had no trouble using that term to describe those who had come into early Church like wolves and spread false teaching, as per Jude/peter, even denying the Lord that gave his life to save us!

    again, the RCC itself as an organization is indeed Apostate, as deny the true Gospel of Christ... extra biblical sources/apostolic succession etc..

    more mormon than NT!

    individuals catholics can and are saved there, its due to the election and grca eof God, in spite of false teachings!

    IF saved by God, come ye out and be seperate from among them!
     
    #33 DaChaser1, Feb 22, 2012
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