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Did the Son ask the Father to spare Him the agony of the cross?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by kyredneck, Jul 29, 2009.

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Was Christ requesting to avoid the cross or was He asking for something else?

  1. Yes; If it be possible, for His Father to spare him the agony of the cross

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  2. No; He was asking for something other.

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  1. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    Jim's thought could be possible, but presently I don't agree, if Jim is right, then God heard Him all but one time - in Gethsemane.

    In John 11:42 Jesus said that His Father always heard Him.

    But, I suppose it could be said that the Father heard Him in Gethsemane as well because of the qualification Jesus made "not my will but thine be done".

    HankD
     
    #81 HankD, Aug 3, 2009
  2. kyredneck

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    "The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed".

    I place a lot of stock in that ditty. The passages from Psalms that I've referenced and that I believe to be prophetic of His prayer is enough reason for me to believe how I do.
     
    #82 kyredneck, Aug 4, 2009
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    Well, I like the ditty too, but frankly a straight exegesis of the passages involved don't lead to your position in my opinion. So we'll have to part company there, though we've agreed on some important things.

    It's been an interesting discussion. Thanks for starting the thread!

    God bless.
     
    #83 John of Japan, Aug 4, 2009
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    It could also be said that He heard Him from the belly of the earth as Jonah was heard from the belly of the fish.
     
    #84 Aaron, Aug 5, 2009
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    Excellent point Aaron.

    HankD
     
    #85 HankD, Aug 9, 2009
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    I think part of it may have been the death on the cross, but also the seperation and bearing the curse resulting from taking our sin upon Himself. The whole of the experience must have been harrowing to our savior.
     
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    I have thought for years it was the human side of our Lord showing, however I do think there is more to it than meets the eye. There is paying the penalty for sin, the man side of Jesus would be terrified of that. But I think that the separation from the Father would greatly grieve Him. The Father would not be accompanying Him on this part of the journey.

    Nothing in stone just private thoughts I've hade.
     
    #87 Plain Old Bill, Aug 17, 2009
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    Plain Old Bill, I believe you are bang on, mate. If Jesus was to die for our sins, he must die. It must be the human Jesus who dies, otherwise the Triune God would be split by one. Jesus the man felt all the ails of humanity except sin in his life. The only time he felt sin was when he took the sins of the whole world on himself and died for those sins........hence, his death was sufficient for ALL, but efficient for the elect.

    Cheers,

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    This is an old thread, and it may seem odd, but Jim's point made here; " Days is plural....prayers is plural.......petitions is plural......So, this passage has reference to the many times Jesus prayed and petitioned to the Father..." caused the light to come on in connecting the many [apparent] supplications contained within the Messianic Psalms. I've kinda sorta continued this thread here:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=64141

    and hope to get into the Psalms a little deeper; for those of you who may be interested.
     
    #89 kyredneck, Jan 25, 2010
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    I heard Charles Stanley say that it wasn't the physical suffering on the cross that Jesus was asking to be relieved of---but rather it was the seperation from His Father

    The only begotton became the only forsaken
     
    #90 blackbird, Jan 25, 2010
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    That was what I heard--that when Jesus took our sins upon Himself on the cross, the Father couldn't look at Him and turned His back on Jesus. That is why Jesus said, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" That was what He did not want to experience.
     
    #91 Jon-Marc, Jan 26, 2010
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