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  1. Revmitchell

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    DID YOU

    KNOW As you walk up the steps
    to

    the building which houses the
    U.S. Supreme Court

    you can see near the top of the
    building
    a row of the

    world's law givers and each one is
    facing one in the middle

    who is facing forward with a full
    frontal view ... It is Moses

    and he is holding the
    Ten Commandments!

    DID YOU KNOW? As you enter the Supreme
    Court courtroom, the two huge oak
    doors have the Ten Commandments

    engraved on each lower portion of
    each door.




    DID YOU KNOW? As you sit inside the courtroom,
    you can see the

    wall, right above where the Supreme
    Court Judges sit, a display of

    the Ten Commandments



    DID YOU KNOW?




    There are
    Bible

    verses etched in stone all over the
    Federal

    Buildings and Monuments in
    Washington ,

    D.C.
    DID YOU KNOW?




    James Madison, the fourth

    president, known as 'The Father
    of Our
    Constitution' made the Following

    statement:
    'We have staked the whole of all
    our
    political
    Institutions upon the capacity of
    mankind
    for
    Self-government, upon

    the capacity of each and all of
    us to
    govern ourselves, to

    control ourselves, to sustain
    ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.'

    DID YOU KNOW? Every session of Congress
    begins with a prayer

    by a paid preacher, whose salary has
    been paid by the

    taxpayer since 1777.
    DID YOU

    KNOW?
    Fifty-two of the 55
    founders of the Constitution
    were members of the established
    Orthodox churches in the colonies..
    DID YOU KNOW?



    Thomas Jefferson worried

    that the Courts would overstep their
    authority and

    instead of Interpreting the law
    would begin
    making law an

    oligarchy: the rule of few over
    many.
    How then, have we gotten
    to the
    point that
    everything we have done for
    220 years in this
    Country is now suddenly wrong
    and
    Unconstitutional?
    Lets put it around the world and let
    the world
    see and remember what this great
    country was Built on The Holy Bible
    and belief in GOD!
     
  2. LadyEagle

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    Amen and Amen!
     
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    It is hard to pinpoint an exact date or event that took us from the picture you painted to the godless society we are now. However, I think two events, taking God out of public schools in 1954, and the legalization of abortion in 1973, are two of the major reasons. Add those two to the march towards legalization of gay marriage in all fifty states, and that about seals the deal.

    Personally, I think the origin of this on a political basis started in the early days of the Cold War, by socialism and communism, tearing down the pillars of our nations, ever so slowly, that we did not even realize what they were doing. One can also see it in the quality of candidates for President and Congress that have deteriorated over the decades, from men of high quality at our founding, to today, a collection of common thieves, self indulgent slobs, bribers, liars, and traitors to this nation.

    From a moral standpoint, I believe the change was motivated by greed of the American people starting in the late 50s or early 60s. Look at a retail store. Back then, customers went to the store to buy a product, got good service and left. Today, the customer thinks the red carpet should be rolled out and trumpet sounded everytime they enter an establishment. I guess that is why I am not in customer relations, because quite frankly, while I treat others with respect and dignity, I am not about to treat them like they are from Divine stock. The last I heard, we are 3% of the world's population and consume about 28% of its goods. In other words, we are a nation of basically spoiled brats. We as Americans are the ones that presided over the change spoken of here.
     
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    Mohammad is also depicted in the Supreme Court building. So are other supposed lawgivers of history. So what?
     
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    Looks like someone has been reading David Barton's Wallbuilders propaganda!
     
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    So, I suppose this country must be anti-muslim, since a visual depiction of Hammy is forbidden.
     
  7. Baptist Believer

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    Yep.

    Even David Barton has finally admitted that the Madison quote is "undocumented." His work is unreliable.

    For what it's worth, here's the Snopes entry on what was apparently quoted in the OP: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp
     
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    Nobody pulled anything from Barton. Poor little libbies cannot stand that this nation was founded on Christian principles so they find just a few errors in anything they do not like and try to paint the whole thing that way. It is ungodly and shameful behavior and I doubt they would want to be treated that way.

    By the way I do not care one iota what snopes says.

    I feel sorry for you.
     
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    You may not have pulled it from David Barton, but someone did. It is clear that you did not originate this material. Almost all of this is from David Barton's early works, especially his video "America's Godly Heritage."

    I've followed Barton for nearly 20 years and know his material. Barton is often plagiarized by other "Christian" authors, but this material originated with Barton.

    {quote]Poor little libbies cannot stand that this nation was founded on Christian principles so they find just a few errors in anything they do not like and try to paint the whole thing that way.[/quote]
    It's not a "few errors", but rather historical revisionism. The founding of this nation is much more complex than the revisionists like to claim. The revisionists also tend to tell only one side of the story and ignore the massive social changes that occurred during the nation's formative years surrounding the founding of the colonies, the Great Awakening, the Revolution, the period of the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitutional Convention.

    I've read the primary source documents for this era and have a pretty good understanding of the original intent of the First Amendment in the historical context.

    The primary source documents (objective things) are not "liberal" or "conservative" - they simply exist and explain what the framers of the Constitution were thinking about and arguing for. There was quite a bit of debate about the First Amendment and it is clear that the original intent of the First Amendment was to impose and institutional separation of church and state at the federal level, just like in some of the former colonies like Rhode Island and Virginia.


    Accusing people who care about facts as being "libbies" is ungodly and shameful behavior.

    So do you care about what is true?

    Are you going to check it out for yourself from primary sources like a disciple of Jesus would do or are you simply going to make false accusations and ignore what is true like a disciple of the accuser of the brethern?

    Likewise. You are better than that. You could be a powerful advocate for Christ if you would engage instead of accuse.
     
  10. Revmitchell

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    The fallacy here is that only Barton has seen this quote as legitimate.

    Of course then you can have just one single boogy man to demonize.


    Yea says you.

    Of course and you and your opinion is the only one that is right. I see

    The liberal version of the separation of church and state is not the founders version.



    Uh no, a liberal is a liberal and a conservative is just that.

    I do and of course the carvings on our government buildings to include Moses and the Ten Commandments are always ignored so that a boogy man can be created out of Barton. The treatment of Barton by the left is nothing but shameful. Because liberals do not like the over all picture. I knew when I posted this who would comment on it. But then I do not believe that you and other liberals are actually only concerned with truth. You have an agenda and you all constantly demonize Barton. Even when his name is not involved like this thread. You brought Barton up for the sole purpose of trashing him. Shame on you.

    I have not made any false accusations.


    Accuse is all you have done in this thread. Nothing but accuse the brethren.
     
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    Look further back in time. Specifically, the era when Woodrow Wilson was in office. I've only recently begun to study the timeframe around WW1 and Wilson's policies, as time permits. While there's always been a "liberal" element, since our founding, it seems that one of the pivotal times was during his term in office.

    Here's a starting point if you would like to look into this further.

    Here's some more results from a quick search using the keywords:
    Woodrow Wilson Progressive
    Woodrow Wilson Segregated Military


    "Progressive" is indeed the right word. We have progressed far from what was intended by our founding fathers.
     
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    OT,
    This is a presidency I have just started studying since I found a connection on ancestry.com. My initial impression is that of shock at the way this administration trashed the Bill of Rights. There were people imprisioned for criticizing the Wilson Administration policies, especially foreign policies. These were enforced through national security laws of the time that were obviously unConstitutional. Of course, then there was the federal reserve and banking fiasco of 1913, and to top it off, he was unfit to govern for months, as in essence, his wife ran the country.

    Like I said, I have just started studying this era, and have much to learn, but this is a presidency we have nothing to be proud of. Thank you for pointing out this monster. One of the reasons he was elected in the first place is the split between Taft and Roosevelt.

    The next President, Warren Harding, died in office, and in fact, had one of the most corrupt administrations in history to date. I think his VP who took over, Calvin Coolidge, did a fairly decent job. In fact, his predecesor, Herbert Hoover, I believe got a lot of blame for the economy he did not deserve, as a leftover of the Wilson and Harding administrations.
     
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    Actually, Barton has declared this quote as "unconfirmed" and recommends that people not use it.

    Given that the quote in question runs contrary to Madison's views (well documented in works such as "A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments," it is highly suspicious.

    And primary sources.

    There is only one truth. If there are two opinions about something, one of them is necessarily going to be closer to the truth than the other. That's reality. I'm not one of those people who think that there is no way to know what is true.

    I have no clue what you mean by the "liberal version of the separation of church and state," but you do see the separation of church and state implemented in Rhode Island and Virginia before the First Amendment was drafted. From the writings of the founders, that seems to be the model they looked to when they were struggling with the wording for the First Amendment.

    There are a number of lawgivers carved on the buildings, not just Moses. And the Ten Commandments are a fundamental text of law for our world. That's why they appear on the building.

    Sure you have. The quote above is a prime example.
    - I'm not a liberal
    - I am passionate about truth, even if it upsets those on the left or right (remember, I am a big Second Amendment supporter around here)
    - I am tired of dealing with Barton and would prefer not to have to ever think of him again.
    - I haven't "trashed" Barton, just pointed out where he presents false information. I've done hundreds of hours of personal research fact-checking his material in dusty books long before anything like that was available on the internet. Have you done any real research?
     
  14. go2church

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    Barton cronies are unflappable! They simply refuse to be moved by actual facts and correct information.

    Jesus would be so proud that all his ministry, teachings, commands and sacrifice resulted in an Enlightenment era rebellion. Nice job on the whole scripture interpretation there folks:tonofbricks:
     

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