Differences Between Baptists

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Bible Believing Bill, Sep 29, 2007.

  1. Bible Believing Bill

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    I am preparing a study of the Doctrines and Beliefs presented in The General Association of General Baptist's Statement of Faith. As one part of this study I want to compare and contrast our Doctrines vs. those of other Baptist Groups and Churches.

    I DO NOT WANT THIS TO BECOME A DEBATE about these groups beliefs. I see this thread a source of information about different baptist beliefs.

    Here is a summary of the General Baptist Statement of Faith. Really the only thing missing is the scripture referances on which these statements are based. You can find everything at the link above.


    Bill



    I. GOD
    We believe that there is only one true, living, and eternal God and that the Godhead is revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.



    II. THE BIBLE
    We believe that the Holy Scriptures are the Old and New Testaments; the inspired and infallible Word of God and therein is found the reliable guide of Christian faith and conduct.



    III. MAN
    We believe that God created man in His own image to bring Him honor through obedience, and that when man disobeyed, he became a fallen sinful creature, unable to save himself. We believe that infants are in the covenant of God's grace and that all persons become accountable to God when they reach a state of moral responsibility.



    IV. SALVATION
    We believe that Salvation (regeneration, sanctification, justification, and redemption) has been provided for all mankind through the redemptive work (life, death, resurrection, ascension, and intercession) of Jesus Christ, and that this Salvation can be received only through repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.



    V. ASSURANCE AND ENDURANCE
    We believe that those who abide in Christ have the assurance of salvation. However, we believe that the Christian retrains his freedom of choice; therefore, it is possible for him to turn away from God and be finally lost.



    VI. CHRISTIAN DUTIES
    We believe that Christians should live faithfully by serving in and through the local church, praying diligently, witnessing earnestly, practicing tolerance, showing loving kindness, giving as God prospers, and conducting themselves in such a way as to bring glory to God.



    VII. THE CHURCH
    We believe that the Church Universal is the body of Christ, the fellowship of all believers, and that it's members have been called out from the world to come under the dominion and authority of Christ, it's head. We believe that a local church is a fellowship of Christians, a part of the Body of Christ, voluntarily banded together for worship, nurture, and service.



    VIII. THE ORDINANCES
    We believe that baptism and the Lord's Supper are ordinances instituted by Christ to be observed by Christians only. We also believe that the Biblical mode of baptism is immersion and that participation in the Lord's Supper should be open to all Christians.



    IX. THE LORD'S DAY
    We believe in the sanctity of the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, and that this day ought to be observed by worshipping God, witnessing for Christ, and ministering to the needs of humanity. We believe that secular work on Sunday should be limited to cases of necessity or mercy


    X. LAST THINGS
    We believe in the personal return of Jesus Christ, and in the bodily resurrection of the dead. We believe that God will judge all mankind by Jesus Christ; that He will reward the righteous with eternal life in heaven, and that He will banish the unrighteous to everlasting punishment in hell.
     
  2. thomas15

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    Bill,

    What exactly do you want us forum members to do?
     
  3. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    This is typically the same for the SBC except we differ on the loss of salvation:


    V. God's Purpose of Grace
    Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which He regenerates, justifies, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. It is consistent with the free agency of man, and comprehends all the means in connection with the end. It is the glorious display of God's sovereign goodness, and is infinitely wise, holy, and unchangeable. It excludes boasting and promotes humility.

    All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end. Believers may fall into sin through neglect and temptation, whereby they grieve the Spirit, impair their graces and comforts, and bring reproach on the cause of Christ and temporal judgments on themselves; yet they shall be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.

    Genesis 12:1-3; Exodus 19:5-8; 1 Samuel 8:4-7,19-22; Isaiah 5:1-7; Jeremiah 31:31ff.; Matthew 16:18-19; 21:28-45; 24:22,31; 25:34; Luke 1:68-79; 2:29-32; 19:41-44; 24:44-48; John 1:12-14; 3:16; 5:24; 6:44-45,65; 10:27-29; 15:16; 17:6,12,17-18; Acts 20:32; Romans 5:9-10; 8:28-39; 10:12-15; 11:5-7,26-36; 1 Corinthians 1:1-2; 15:24-28; Ephesians 1:4-23; 2:1-10; 3:1-11; Colossians 1:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; 2 Timothy 1:12; 2:10,19; Hebrews 11:39–12:2; James 1:12; 1 Peter 1:2-5,13; 2:4-10; 1 John 1:7-9; 2:19; 3:2.
     
  4. swaimj

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    II Tim 2:1-4,

    What is the source for your quote. Not to agree or disagree with the statement itself, but I can't imagine that there is a creed or doctrinal statement like this that all members of the SBC agree to or are required to agree to.
     
  5. Tom Bryant

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    Thanks Tom
     
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    Then you have the New Hamshire Baptist Confession of 1833:

     
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    Here is what our "Baptist" forefathers believed:

    http://www.pb.org/articles/walden.html
     
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    hummm

    I seriously question the Waldenses Confession of 1120 that is in this link. If you read their doctrine statement of that time, it does not jive with this confession.

    In fact i'm sure this is not real.

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  10. Bible Believing Bill

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    To answer your question. I am looking for exactly the things that Tom Bryant and Pastor Bob have posted. I want to see the the GAGB Statement of Faith compares to other Baptists.

    As a group we should agree on most things, but there will be some areas where we don't.

    Bill
     
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    How about the 1st Baptist Creed.

    http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/original/1689bc.html
     
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    V. ASSURANCE AND ENDURANCE
    We believe that those who abide in Christ have the assurance of salvation. However, we believe that the Christian retrains his freedom of choice; therefore, it is possible for him to turn away from God and be finally lost.
    Disagree on this. There is no assurance of salvation if you can turn from God. I can't keep myself from doing things wrong it is God that keeps me from doing it. The church that Brother Bob goes to .
    ARTICLE 1. We believe in only one true and living God; the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost; and these three are one, equal in power, essence and glory.

    ARTICLE 2. We believe the scripture of the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible are the written words of God and are the only rules of faith and practice.

    ARTICLE 3. We believe in the doctrine of election by grace, for by grace are ye saved through faith.

    ARTICLE 4. We believe in the doctrine of original sin and of man's inability to recover himself from the fallen state he is in by nature, therefore the Saviour is needed for our redemption.

    ARTICLE 5. We believe that sinners are called to repentance and believe in the Gospel and regeneration of the soul and sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, and none shall fall away and be lost.

    ARTICLE 6. We believe that sinners are justified in the sight of God only by the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.

    ARTICLE 7. We believe that baptism is the ordinance of God's Church on earth and the mode IMMERSION, back foremost, so as to cover all over.

    ARTICLE 8. We believe that the Lord's Supper is the command of the Saviour, and that by use of bread and the fruit of the vine, and feet washing should be kept up until his second coming by his believers.

    ARTICLE 9. We believe in the resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust, and that the joys of the righteous and the punishment of the wicked shall be eternal.

    ARTICLE 10. We believe that no Minister has the right to administer the ordinances and commands of the Gospel except such as are regularly ordained and baptized, and that by immersion by a legal administrator of the Gospel comes under the hands of a regularly chosen presbytery of the Church.

    ARTICLE 11. We believe it to be the duty of all Church members to contribute for defraying all reasonable expenses of the Church, never forgetting the poor according to their several abilities.

    ARTICLE 12. We believe that every doctrine that goes to encourage or indulge people in their sins or cause them to settle down on anything short of saving faith in Christ for salvation is erroneous, and such doctrine shall be rejected by us.

    ARTICLE 13. We believe that the Church of Jesus Christ is a congregation of faithful believers in Christ who have obtained fellowship with the Lord and one another, and have given themselves to the Lord and have agreed to keep up a Godly discipline according to the rules of the Gospel.

    ARTICLE 14. We believe that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church and the government thereof is upon His Shoulders.

    ARTICLE 15. We believe that a sanctioned marriage of God is between a man and a woman only. Also, we believe in receiving members into our fellowship that follow the natural dating relationship that leads to holy matrimony between a man and a woman only: thereby, preserving the family unit of father, mother and children. Ephesians 5:22,23 and 28, St. Mark 10:6,7,8 and Romans 1:26 and 27.

    ARTICLE 16. None of the above Articles shall be considered as to hold with particular election and reprobation so as to make God partial, directly or indirectly, nor to injure any of the children of men, nor shall any of those Articles be altered without legal notice and free consent. ARTICLES OF FAITH OF SARDIS ASSOCIATION OF THE OLD REGULAR BAPTIST. I go to a old regular baptist church to and we associate with each other.
     
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    The site you listed above for the London Confession lists it exactly as does the site I have given.

    It is also given exactly the same at http://www.freechurch.org/resources/confessions/waldenses.htm
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    http://www.apuritansmind.com/Creeds/WaldensianConfession1120.htm
     
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    yes I know. I saw the very same thing later. As a matter of fact, I did a google and found it on hundreds of site.

    Having a pretty good handle on Church history, I stick with my statement. This could not be real.
     
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    indeed you are right. But as time goes 1644 comes become 1646
     
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    You can compare my home church, we have most of our doctrinal statements on our website.
     
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    I also had a great book at one time, that went through the basics of most of the denominations.... including various bapitst group distinctives... but I can't seem to locate it at the moment.
     
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    IT is much closer than that. At the bottom of each page of
    the Baptist Board (BB) is a link to SOF Statement of Faith.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/sof.html

    That statement of faith (SOF) is the BFM2000.
    So the Southern Baptists have agreed on it.
    I think that is why many Texas Baptist Churches
    and Virginia Bapatist Churches are members of
    non-SBC organizations (some, in addition to SBC; some,
    wilhout addition of the SBC)
     
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    Pastor Bob,

    This may be a good example that we cannot believe all we read in the net. These are good sites, but they can be mislead as well. It seems that everyone wants to claim the Waldensians. The Seven Day Adventist, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Orthodox and Baptist, Mormons and more..ALL say they came from the Waldensians. Even the RCC want to claim them, and they killed more of them then we can count. The biggest group that claims this now are the KJVO groups, for they MUST hold to this, or their whole idea falls.

    As with all history cases, you must read all sources and pay attention not only to what is said, but what those writing the books are not saying. This is the only way to get to the truth.

    Waldensian have changed through the years in what they claim as their faith. Giorgio Tourn's book "The Waldensians, the first 800 years" gives some good insight and seems to match The Waldensians own history records. What many Baptist claim, Waldensians own history books deny.

    In a statement of faith submitted to the bishop of Albano of the RCC, Peter Waldo the founder affirmed his belief in transubstantiation, prayers for the dead, and infant baptism. Baptist historian A.H. Newman drew these conclusion warranted by the evidence.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NXG/is_1_37/ai_94160889/pg_16

    Now this was the same time frame as the COF was said to come from. After Waldo died this group departed more from the RCC. By the time of Luther they were of like mind to Luther. They did ask Calvin for a translation of the Bible.

    Check out this pub from 1840 where this COF is said to be false.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=jK...ts=NHD_8ZMpz9&sig=IzHDQpp_Zj1xY6lcxtjciEhkeJw
     

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