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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Browner, Dec 13, 2015.

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  1. Internet Theologian

    Internet Theologian Well-Known Member

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    What's the point of your OP? I don't see that you've made one as of yet other than your self-proclaimed status to which you add Billy Graham to your list. Make a point and I may respond.
     
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  2. Browner

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    What's the point of your OP? ... Really.
    How about making a comment on its' content?
    Let's do a CC.
     
    #22 Browner, Jan 2, 2016
  3. Internet Theologian

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    I'm being serious here as to your intent in the OP. What is its point? The words 'upon' and 'indwelt' were pointed out. You've mentioned you and Billy Graham as two mavericks of one class. What point are you trying to make?
     
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  4. thatbrian

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    Chapter and verse, please.
     
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  5. Browner

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    Quite a number of spiritual Truths are not laid out
    in a totally obvious fashion in Scripture.
    We are supposed to be led by the Spirit, etc.
    Jesus said the Spirit would reveal all things to us, etc.

    So, why are many believers (such as Baptists)
    lacking in spiritual understanding?
    Answer: They have been brainwashed into believing lies,
    so they are just not open to receiving spiritual Truth.
    It's as simple as that.

    The doctrines of men are preferred over
    the Truths laid out in Scripture.
    It's as simple as that.
    Not complicated at all.

    Satan is "the god/ruler of this world/age".
    And man's free will is King.
    Ain't no robots here, hear?
     
    #25 Browner, Jan 14, 2016
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    Your reply to me seems a bit hypocritical. Again, what is the biblical basis for this: "Man's free will is KING."
     
    #26 thatbrian, Jan 14, 2016
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    I agree. I always thought that Jesus was King.
     
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  8. Browner

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    One point you should understand is that
    Willy and I were/are not any kind of maverick!
    Are you out of your mind?
     
    #28 Browner, Jan 15, 2016
  9. Browner

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    The Biblical basis is the NT.
    Man gets to CHOOSE whether or not
    he/she will follow God's will.

    My personal favorite is Romans 6:16-23.
    Super quick translation for those who
    cannot read and understand Scripture:
    Believers, CHOOSE sin or obedience!

    You may believe that you are a robot,
    butski I know that I am not one!
     
    #29 Browner, Jan 15, 2016
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    Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, long-suffering, self-control.
     
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    Can you quote ANY NT verse by any Writer stating to us that we must seek the experience of being Baptized in the Holy Ghost after Pentacost then?

    My bible states that we ALL have parten of the SAME Holy Spirit, and ALL already have been baptized by Him into the Body of christ, but do you have extra revelation on that?
     
    #31 Yeshua1, Jan 26, 2016
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    Ephesians 4:
    3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
    4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    The one Baptism is the of The Holy Spirit. Notice Verse 6 says He is Above All that is the Father, Through all that is the Lord Jesus and in you All that would be the Holy Spirit who indwells us at the point of being saved and sealed by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit who comes into us and indwells us at the point we place our Faith and Trust in Christ. Paul states this about every believer,
    1 Corinthians 6:19-20
    What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
     
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  13. Browner

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    NOPE ...
    haven't I said that it is a special anointing for some kind of ministry?
    Has anyone w/o it ever received revelation about this truth?
    Yes, some have ... and they press in until they receive it.
    I wuz one of these.
    The best encouragement is Matthew 7:7-11.
    And then, of course, there is the famous Persistent Widow.
    Some are given it just so their prayers will be mucho more effective.
    I.E. this baptism doesn't have to be for a world-famous ministry.
     
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  14. plain_n_simple

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    The Holy Spirit baptism died out in the Baptist Church in the 1700's or so. God will not force a gift.
     
    #34 plain_n_simple, Jan 30, 2016
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    Again, you cannot claim any second experience of the Holy spirit from the Bible itself, so are you using teachings from heretics such as WOF teachers to claim it is for today?
     
    #35 Yeshua1, Feb 2, 2016
  16. Browner

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    Of course I can ... and I have done so in great depth
    ... but you simply refuse to accept it.
    Goodbye!
     
    #36 Browner, Feb 4, 2016
  17. plain_n_simple

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    Excellent, very well put.
     
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  18. TCassidy

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    Let's see. Browner says there are two baptisms. Water baptism and Spirit baptism.

    God says there is one baptism. Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

    Who to believe? Who to believe?

    Oh, yeah! God! :D
     
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    2 Calamities 3:17, 2 Hesitations 9:34, & Oy Vey 16:89
     
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    And what is this "special" ministry you have been anointed to do? Tell all the mainstream Baptist they are not following God's Word? Many have come before you with this same "ministry". Ellen White, Joseph Smith, Russell come to mind just to name a few. You have failed in the reconciling thread you began and now you are failing in this one. It's seems your special ministry may not be from the Lord as you may have first thought. Careful when you seek that which is extra biblical, it may not be the Lord who fulfills your desire...
     
    #40 steaver, Feb 19, 2016
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