dinosaurs and man together

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  1. Helen

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    An excellently researched and referenced net page here:
    http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm

    I personally have no doubts about the fact that men and dinosaurs were contemporaneous. For those who do have doubts or questions, that page is an excellent place to start looking seriously at that probability.
     
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    I always thought so myself.
    It would make sense that the climate would change after the flood, and some species that lived before the flood would have to go extinct.
    I will read the article later, but these are what I always considered.
     
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    Doesn't matter to me.

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  4. Helen

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    Tim, the article shows that dinosaurs have lived comparatively recently in men's history.

    Joseph, it may not matter to you, but for those who doubt the veracity of the Bible in regard to a young creation and the accuracy of Genesis and Job, it might matter very much.
     
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    Does the mean Din's were extinct before the flood? So that brings to question how much time transpired between Gen 1:1 and the flood?
     
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    I understand that, and will agree..
    I believe Noah even had some with him.
    But when they landed, they slowly died out because of the climate change, and other factors.

    That was a nice article, I bookmarked it.
     
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    This theory is very true. I was in a remote cave in Nepal last year and saw a picture of Tiny Tim and Barney doing the tango.
     
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    ==Well there you go, case closed! :thumbs:

    On a more serious note...If one takes Genesis 1-11 as historical narrative, as I do, then one is forced to say that humans and dinosaurs lived together at some point in history. I think we may still be living with dinosaurs in fact. I am thinking of crocs, the big lizards, etc.
     
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    Now we all know that Barney is gay.... that was Baby Bop I was dancing with!! (tiny being as sarcastic as he possibly can!!!I really haven't heard that about Barney.... but... ) :tongue3: :laugh:
    BTW, did you take a picture... it might be worth something on ebay!!

    Hey, have you seen a picture of my pet lizard?
    [​IMG]
     
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    A couple of notes:

    The article points out that dinosaurs were alive relatively recently...however the vast majority did die out during the Peleg catastrophe. Also, it is not correct to think of dinosaurs as 'giant lizards'. They were not. If you look at a lizard's legs, they come out of the side of his body, allowing him to move quickly and very low to the ground. A dinosaur's legs were formed quite differently, at a different angle, allowing for an upright stance.
     
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    Why, shoot, everyone who reads Alley Oop knows men & dinos lived together, not to mention the Flintstones.

    Seriously, the Flood of Noah didn't kill all that many fish & other water creatures. However, it was a VERY VIOLENT flood, almost certainly having tsunamis much-larger than any within man's recorded history. In England, there are remains of land animals dashed so violently against cliffs & large rocks that the bones of several creatures are intertwined!

    And how about DRAGONS? The ancient Chinese, English, Maya, and Egyptians didn't know of each other's existence "back in the day", but they all have dragon legends. Now, whether a critter that large could fly, or if it had fiery breath, is a matter of conjecture, but every description given of a dragon by every ancient civilization which had a dragon legend is that of a dino such as Allosaur or T-Rex, while others describe a creature(not a dragon) such as Brontosaur or Diplodocus.

    The last great extinction before Noah was in Permian times, some 140 million years before the "Age of Dinosaurs". While there are signs of other great natural disasters since then, none were as violent as Noah's Flood.

    I was on a ship in the Pacific when a tsunami passed under it. It was not noticeable whatsoever on our ship, but we had some 25000 ft. of water beneath us. A tsunami only becomes noticeable when it enters shallow waters. Thus, Noah & crew rode out the violence of that flood. remember, the "springs of the deep" were broken open; this alone woulda caused monster tsunamis.

    Scripture doesn't record the violence of the event because Noah, inside the ark, wouldn'ta noticed it. But the volcanism & earthquakes coulda easily caused it to rain 40 consecutive days/nights worldwide, as mucho water would be evaporated by its contact with molten magma. And I believe this rain served to cleanse the atmosphere of mosta the dust from the volcanoes. God orchestrated all these natural events to produce the effects He'd chosen.

    But I can easily see man & some dinosaurs co-existing. After all, alligators & crocs existed well before the dinos. The main difference between ancient gators & those of today is size. The ancient ones were much-larger than present ones. And I believe the Loch Ness monster is a plesiosaur or similar creature.

    And I see no reason why the tylosaur, another sea dino built for speed& agility, having a gator-like mouth fulla razor-sharp teeth, should be extinct. Maybe Nessie is so 'shy' because it's both hunter and hunted, tending to avoid any other critter not its prey.
     
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    Helen, what is the Peleg catastrophe?
     
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    How long were Adam and Eve in the garden? Does Adam's age count from when he was created, or from when they ate the fruit?
     
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    ...the separation of the lands... Gen 10:25

    The OP's reference reminds me of Erich von Daniken and the evidence he gave for ancient space travelers.

    Rob
     
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    It has nothing to do with space travelers or anything else other than the actual evidence that men were very much aware of the giant animals they sometimes had to deal with.

    The Peleg catastrophe is mentioned in Genesis 10:25. We find out more about it in Job, actually, as Job was the thirteenth son of Peleg's brother, Joktan (also in Genesis 10). Most people read Job for the theological arguments, but interspersed among them are the mentions of the continuing catastrophes which were part of their world as the continents were dividing at the approximate rate of over several feet a day for a couple of hundred years. Look at the firestorms mentioned. The ice age is there. Mountains overturning and volcanic activity is in Job. They had to keep watch on the sea...why? Because tsunami activity would have been ferocious and the sea pulls way back, exposing the sea floor sometimes extensively before the tsunami rolls in. These watches are mentioned in Job. Cave men are mentioned, perhaps twice.

    It was this catastrophe which, when the math is done relating the faster atomic processes of the time to the standard idea of 65 million years ago for the K/T boundary (dinosaur extinction), shows that the time of Peleg matches up with that extinction event and its related meteorite hits.

    That some of the great beasts survived for some time after in rare places is what is documented, mostly, in the material on the linked page of the opening post.
     
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    yup. i still think large dinosaurs live today...

    i mean... how much of the deep deep oceans have we explored? how much of the deep deep jungle in the congo swamp have we explored?

    there were sightings of pteradactles last century. sightings of rather unusually large (not komodo dragons) lizard type animals last century.

    what if?
     
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    Where can I read more on this theory? If I remember, the Peleg in Genesis is used to identify a time when the earth was divided. Similar to when Noah's sons went different directions or when Joshua divided canaan. I never heard this theory.
     
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    Yes, Helen, you have my curiosity up also.

    Do you have a link to the references in Job also?
    I would love to look at the book of Job in this way.
     
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    Here it is.

    Job 40:15-24

    15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

    16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

    17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

    18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

    19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

    20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

    21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

    22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

    23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

    24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.
    KJV


    :)
     
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    tyrannosaurus rex ;) and adam now theres a happy couple..not!

    [​IMG] and btw remember that when mr. and mrs tyrannosaurus rex walked up the Noah's ark loading plank they were right behind mr. and mrs. unicorn perhaps that is why later on the voyage they were seen with tooth picks in their mouths.:tongue3: :smilewinkgrin:


    this op is a laugh riot..how in blue blazes do man and dinosaurs actually live together...with one being like a great white shark on land and the adam and eve being an easy side dish to tear apart at a whim...amazing
    impossibility.
     

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