Disagreement....without the smears

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dan e., Sep 26, 2008.

  1. dan e.

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    I was reading why, apparrantly, people hate Sarah Palin. Hate? Really? With as little as anyone knows about the woman, people hate her?

    I don't understand how people can not know enough about someone to think she isn't qualified to be VP, yet they know enough to hate her.

    The same could be said for others, I'm sure. BUT, this thread is created because I'd like an honest discussion about sincere disagreements on why you prefer one candidate over the other, or even if you don't wish for either. Moderators, I'd like to offer a challenge that at the moment the terms "baby killer", "elitist" , or any other terms used towards either candidate that those comments immediately be deleted. Just a request, I understand you don't have to comply.

    So, I'll begin by saying things I don't like, in a civilized manner. I really, truly, hope others contribute with honest, sincere, reasoning behind the front put on that usually involves name calling, smears, and apparrant hatred.
     
  2. dan e.

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    I really tend not to like McCain, first because I think he is a risk when it comes to another war. He seems the perfect candidate to continue the war on terror given his experience in the military, but I'm not so confident he won't lead us in different directions when it isn't necessary. I don't necessarily disagree with having gone to Iraq, but I think we need to get out SOON. He doesn't have my confidence there.

    I also think he comes off as arrogant. I cannot stand it when he says that he'd follow Bin Laden to the "gates of hell". I think it sounds like a cheesy Schwarzenegar movie when he's trying to sound confident and tough.

    I don't have confidence that he will help our national debt. Most republicans now-a-days seem to spend more money like it grows on trees.

    I think Palin is a worry. I think it is hypocritical after all the time that republicans criticized Obama for his inexperience, then did a 180 and all of a sudden were in complete support of someone who has just as much, if not less, experience in Palin. She seems like a wonderful mother, but that doesn't mean she'd be a wonderful VP or President. Not being particularly fond of McCain's demeanor, I'm not so sure this wasn' t just a political ploy to grab attention for having a woman running mate. Just my opinion.

    Really....I don't see much that would change from the past 8 years. I'm to the point now where I'd love to see someone different.
     
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    It really seems like you are having a hard time understanding the difference between running for President as Obama is and running for VP as Palin is.

    Obama doesn't have any experience , but desperately needs it, and is potentially dangerous without it.

    Palin doesn't have any experience , but doesn't really need any just yet.

    The attacks on Palin, a woman that is not running for president, have been positively vitriolic.

    Is that because liberals can't attack McCain's experience without looking foolish (considering Obama's complete lack of qualifications), so are going after Palin and looking still more foolish?

    You should get your priorities straight. Right now you seem confused about who's running for what.
     
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    Obama.....man. This guy is tough for me. The reason he is tough is because when I listen to him in interviews, and hear some of the things he says, I like him

    However, just as with those who don't like him at all, it is very difficult for me to get around the abortion issue. I truly hope that he wants to decrease abortions, and if he wins it would be interesting if he did through some of his plans. But it worries me that he may appoint people who will make it increasingly difficult to ban abortion. I can't vote for that.

    The best thing with him is how I think he'll impact international relations. His lack of international experience doesn't worry me, I actually think he could improve relations. I think his team of leaders around him would help him with his approach to Iran, for example. (I also am intrigued by his health plan. I'm about to move to Brazil and it seems they have a very similar plan for their country)

    As far as the economy....I don't know if I have faith in either candidate, probably because of my ignorance of the system, but it seems that anything but the previous 8 years could be better.

    Overall.....I don't think I could vote for him. I like him more than McCain....but not sure if I think he should be president. I'm more likely to vote third party. Ron Paul has had my attention for a while now.
     
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    I disagree. I don't think you can say Palin doesn't need any experience just yet, especially because she's "only a heartbeat away", as the saying goes. I understand your point about the different offices, but still think the hypocrisy is there. I think both sides look for so many things to point out and rail on, they don't realize they eventually will begin railing on something even their own candidates have.
     
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    Predictable. Ignoring the fact that what experience she does have is at least as good and broad as Obama's and you're giving him a pass on experience.

    Justifies the attacks and smears from the left?
     
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    What's the problem? I'm not giving anyone a pass. I just pointed out that I think to jump on one for inexperience (which doesn't seem to be an issue anymore for the right now that they have Palin), but not the other is hypocritical.

    I'd agree that Obama's inexperience should be just as much a concern....I was just mainly pointing out the hypocrisy, which makes me want to go in a different direction from that party. Then again....that isn't my "one-issue" I'm voting on :thumbs:

    No need to get jumpy, or snippy with your "predictable" remark. Just keeping it honest and civilized.
     
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    Yes you are.

    Don't compound your hypocrisy with lies.
     
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    I don't like McCain because I think he is more of a moderate, big government, tough talker who will not be able to get things done. I think he is too old and is stuck in the old ways of doing things.

    I don't like Obama because he is an old school liberal who is a smooth talker but says nothing of quality. Though he is younger, his ideas are as old if not older than McCain. We have already tried everything Obama wants, and it gave us nothing but trouble before. It has never worked, and Obama won't be the first to make it work. His policies are a disaster. He is pro-choice without question. He is for more government spending and higher taxes. He can't pay for what he wants to do. He chose Joe Biden, an abominable choice even to people who support Obama.

    In the end, this is a bad election. But McCain is the better option for those who want to preserve a country for the future.
     
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    A US Senator has a complete lack of qualifications? Get real. Palin is an ultra-lightweight.
     
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    Just Curious, What has Obama done with his time in D.C.? Has he written any laws? Headed any committees? I honestly do not know. This is not a slam, I am curious as to why folks think he is the second coming.

    As far as universal health care I have been in the healthcare industry for nearly 20 years I can tell you two things for sure.

    1. All universal health care will do is lower the quality of health care we now have. I know there are places that have it and you can bet that country has folks coming here when they need the best care.

    2. Dont get your hopes up, it aint happening.
     
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    Not quite true. The Czech Republic and Hungary have universal health care programs and people are flying there to have medical problems cared for. The quality is high and the prices are much lower than here.

    Just a suggestion if you are in Prague and need medical care go to the Canadian Clinic. Everyone speaks English. You will pay more than at a Czech hospital, but you will be understood and you will understand.

    My wife had to have her ankle x-rayed for a possible break in Prague. When she went to the finance office she ask, "Do you take Visa?"

    The lady looked at her and said, "Do you really want to use a credit card for this amount"? Figuring the exchange rate the charge was about $12.00? This was for the x-ray, the doctor reading the x-ray and his consultation with her.

    This was at a Czech hospital and, fortuantely, both the doctor and the lady in finance spoke English.
     
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    Well, here's one reason (from the Internet):

    They don't have a bunch of uninsured illegal aliens driving up the cost of health care and bankrupting medical facilities. So you're comparing apples and oranges.
     
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    I posted a link with loads of information about Barack Obama's legislative accomplishments in Illinois and in Washington a few weeks ago in this forum. If I had know that that anti-Obama folks were going to be asking the same questions over and over I would have saved the link.
     
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    Dude, I just asked a simple question. I apologise that not only do I have a job but I have two jobs PLUS doing all I can with my family. The Baptist Board is a low priority in my life BECAUSE yes I do have a life.

    I have been on here long enough to know you change canidates about as often as some change socks. At least those who oppose your canidate of the week have been consistant.
     

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