Disturbing if it is true....

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  1. LadyEagle

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    I have my doubts given that CIA [at least some rogue elements in the CIA] leaked information routinely that was detrimental to President Bush.

    A vivid example of the disdain some in the CIA had for Bush was requesting a Justice Department investigation of the Valerie Plame affair even though they knew that leaking her name was not a criminal act.
     
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    Talk about double standards. If this was about Obama we all know you wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    What puzzled me was the fact that it is on WND which really gets bashed for being pro-Republican, etc. So I find this information quite troubling if it is true. For the record, I was never gung-ho for going to Iraq and felt it was a huge mistake. Even now.
     
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    Agreed. I hope this information is false, because if it is true, it shows just how hungry for war our leaders can be at times. Also, if it is true, it only makes the Bush administration more guilty for the deaths of over 4000 American lives, not to mention the Iraqis.
     
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    You have enough to worry about just keeping up with yourself. But more importantly you have no idea what he might or might not say .
     
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    So let me get this straight...

    At the same time that Sadam was making it as difficult as possible for the handful of UN inspectors in Iraq - he was secretly offering to surrender and allow 5,000 US military inspectors instead?

    At the same time that he was defying UN resolution after UN resolution - he was secretly offering to surrender to the US and give up on every single issue that he held dear?

    Yeah, that sounds about right.:rolleyes:
     
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    It is harder and harder to figure who is telling the truth and who isn't.

    Regarding this report......... it does seem, to my recall, that back before we went to war.... there was some low key report about Syria associated with offers from Iraq to resolve the issues of inspections and insure no presence of WMD with the US. If I correctly recall, either the President.... or someone speaking on his behalf... such as Collin Powell, or Cheney........ was questioned about the offer from Saddam and their reply questioned whether it was just a rumor the newsman was repeating and when he stated it was from reliable sources (wonder how assuring that is supposed to be?).... deferred to the UN as in something like 'this is not a unilateral decision but one which should be made with the inclusion of UN as it was the concern of the international community and their inspectors involved' and thus this particular inquiry was briefly and dismissively concluded.

    I therefore believe there is some validity to this report.... as to whether it is all true or only parts are true...I don't have any idea.
     
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    You know no such thing.

    Neither does anyone else.
     
  10. matt wade

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    I don't know with 100% certainly, but I can make a good educated guess based upon previous comments. If this was about Obama, you and many others on this forum would be up in arms.
     
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    Please stick to the topic in the OP. Thanks,
    LE
     
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    Your speculations are worthless and just an attempt to deflect the well deserved criticism of the "messiah".
     
  13. matt wade

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    No, I'm not trying to deflect any criticism of "your" messiah (since you call him that). I think Obama is a horrible president. I didn't vote for him and I wouldn't vote for him. I'm in direct opposition to just about every policy of his.
     
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    Why do you say that leaking Plame's name was not a criminal act?
     
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    Sure we do. Look at his last 50 posts.
     
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    If I understand correctly, you're not the moderator of this forum. Am I correct?
     
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    After a much to do about nothing...... I see this poster hasn't CHANGED!






    How rudely to address a member who opens a thread when she reminds the posters have gone off her topic. I didn't know that only moderators had the right to voice their displeasure when others try hijacking a thread!








    The subject concerns a report........ was the war really necessary?...... is it possible that Saddam had made an offer which could have prevented the war with Iraq? ........if so does the responder think it would have changed the outcome or just delayed the inevitable?......IOW, was a war with Iraq inevitable? ......do responders to this post really believe such a deal was in the works or even possible? etc..........
     
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    Saddam’s desperate offers to stave off war

    Julian Borger in Washington, Brian Whitaker and Vikram Dodd
    The Guardian, Friday 7 November 2003 02.54 GMT
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker

    Washington dismissed Iraq's peace feelers, including elections and weapons pledge, put forward via diplomatic channels and US hawk Perle
    In the few weeks before its fall, Iraq's Ba'athist regime made a series of increasingly desperate peace offers to Washington, promising to hold elections and even to allow US troops to search for banned weapons. But the advances were all rejected by the Bush administration, according to intermediaries involved in the talks.

    As US and British troops massed in the Gulf, Iraqi intelligence sent out a range of compromise feelers through a number of channels in the apparent hope of forestalling the invasion or at least buying time.
    The messages were sent through Syrian intelligence, and French, German and Russian diplomatic channels, and as the countdown to invasion ticked away, through retired CIA officials and a Lebanese-American businessman who met the Washington hawk, Richard Perle, in a London hotel.

    The first approach appears to have been made last December through the CIA's former head of counter-terrorism, Vincent Cannistraro.

    "I was approached by someone representing Tahir al-Tikriti - the Iraqi intelligence chief also known as [General] Tahir Habbush - who said Saddam knew there was a campaign to link him to September 11 and prove he had weapons of mass destruction," said Mr Cannistraro. "The Iraqis were prepared to satisfy those concerns. I reported the conversation to senior levels of the state department and I was told to stand aside and they would handle it," he said. He later heard the Iraqi offer had been "killed" by the Bush administration.

    In the next three months, several more approaches from Iraq were made through third countries, US intelligence sources said. At one point, a meeting between CIA officials and Iraqi agents was arranged in Morocco but, according to the US sources, the Iraqi side did not show up.
    Iraqi intelligence was also offering privately to allow several thousand US troops into the country to take part in the search for banned weapons.
    Baghdad even proposed staging internationally-monitored elections within two years. (Cont.)
     
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    Failed Iraqi peace initiatives
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_Iraqi_peace_initiatives


    After the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, evidence began to emerge of failed attempts to bring the conflict to a peaceful resolution.

    In December 2002, a representative of the head of Iraqi Intelligence, Gen. Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, contacted former CIA counterterrorism head Vincent Cannistraro, stating that Saddam "knew there was a campaign to link him to September 11 and prove he had weapons of mass destruction." Cannistrano further added that "the Iraqis were prepared to satisfy these concerns. I reported the conversation to senior levels of the state department and I was told to stand aside and they would handle it." Cannistrano stated that the offers made were all "killed" by the Bush administration because they allowed Saddam Hussein to remain in power - an outcome viewed as unacceptable.[1]

    Shortly after, Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's national security advisor, Osama al Baz, sent a message to the U.S. State Department that the Iraqis wanted to discuss the accusations that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and ties with al-Qaeda.[2] Iraq also attempted to reach the US through the Syrian, French, German, and Russian intelligence services. Nothing came of the attempts.[3]

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    Bush didn't want peace. He wanted war.
     
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    Nutjobs: Rove Spurned 2003 Iranian Peace Offer

    Ex-Congressional Aide: Karl Rove Personally Received (And Ignored) Iranian Peace Offer in 2003
    Monday, February 26th, 2007
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/nutjobs-claim-karl-rove-spurned-2003-iranian-peace-offer


    Bush’s chief adviser Karl Rove personally received a copy of a secret offer from the Iranian government to hold negotiations four years ago. The Bush administration decided to ignore the grand bargain offer. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice recently claimed she had never even seen the document. At the time Iran said it would consider far-reaching compromises on its nuclear program, relations with Hezbollah and Hamas and support for a Palestinian peace agreement with Israel.

    Rove’s involvement was revealed by an aide to former Republican congressman Bob Ney. The aide, Trita Parsi, said Ney was chosen by the Swiss Ambassador in Tehran to carry the Iranian proposal to the White House because he knew the Ohio Congressman to be the only Farsi-speaking member of Congress and particularly interested in Iran.
     

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