Divine Sovereignty

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  1. Thousand Hills

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    http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0077.htm
     
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    Said truth is not only hated by worldlings, but hated also by those professing to be believers.
     
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    That is due to it makes God God, and us what we are... Sinners with no Hope without Him intervening!
     
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    In all fairness we need to extend charity to our free will (Arminian) brethren on the issue of divine sovereignty. They are in error, but most of them would not deny that God is sovereign. These would be your typical rank-and-file believers who have been nourished on the standard fare served by broad evangelicalism. On the Baptist Board you have a condensed collection of bombastic individuals who do not represent the majority of these brethren.
     
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    The fall of man was based on man wanting to be God, Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil, Satan's bate. Satan has always wanted to be God, this is one of the temptations that Satan tempted Christ with in the desert, Math 4:9 Satan said unto Christ, all these things will I give thee if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Calv say's let God be God and rule on his throne among men. Arminians say, we will not have this man to rule over us, so they attempt by free will to ascend to the throne of God and be their own god.
     
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    This is bit of a reach. No mainline Arminian believes he is trying to ascend to the throne of God and be their own God. As I said in my last post, they are in error, but ascribing self-deification to their motives is wrong.
     
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    Arminians believe in checkerboard religion, God with limited power makes a move, the devil with limited power makes a move, but the move that decides the game is the freewiller with all power.
     
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    Just because we believe that God has given us the ability to choose between good and evil doesn't mean we believe God has given us His keys and taken His ability to drive away.
     
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    God will not be a back seat driver for anyone.
     
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    "The system of truth is not one straight line, but two. No man will ever get a right view of the gospel until he knows how to look at the two lines at once. I am taught in one book to believe that what I sow I shall reap: I am taught in another place, that "it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy." I see in one place, God presiding over all in providence; and yet I see, and I cannot help seeing, that man acts as he pleases, and that God has left his actions to his own will, in a great measure. Now, if I were to declare that man was so free to act, that there was no presidence of God over his actions, I should be driven very near to Atheism; and if, on the other hand, I declare that God so overrules all things, as that man is not free enough to be responsible, I am driven at once into Antinomianism or fatalism. That God predestines, and that man is responsible, are two things that few can see. They are believed to be inconsistent and contradictory; but they are not. It is just the fault of our weak judgment. Two truths cannot be contradictory to each other. If, then, I find taught in one place that everything is fore-ordained, that is true; and if I find in another place that man is responsible for all his actions, that is true; and it is my folly that leads me to imagine that two truths can ever contradict each other. These two truths, I do not believe, can ever be welded into one upon any human anvil, but one they shall be in eternity: they are two lines that are so nearly parallel, that the mind that shall pursue them farthest, will never discover that they converge; but they do converge, and they will meet somewhere in eternity, close to the throne of God, whence all truth doth spring."

    C.H. Spurgeon
     
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    We either in the car with God driving us by His word or we are on our own path going were we have always been going.

    Psalm 119:105
    [ נ Nun ] Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.
     
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    worldlings, uhmmmm.....I like that....I think I will use that instead of "unelect"...
     

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