Divorce and its relationship to Godly living!

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" - 1 Timothy 3:2​

An alcoholic, rapist, child molesting, sicko would qualify as blameful. One who has been divorced and/or remarried is not the husband of one wife. Thus, if folks are interested in the scriptural criteria for being a bishop, then those men do not meet the defined criteria.

 

Perhaps it is debatable. For me, it means the bishop must be married, should only have been married once and should not be married to more than one woman. He should be the husband of one wife.

I believe that Matthew 19:9 shows that in specific circumstances divorce is lawful, though not encouraged as this allowance was due to the hardness of heart described in the previous verse. Whereas, Timothy is describing the criteria for the office of a Bishop. This office is a higher office than being a layman and has a higher expectation for those who hold this office. Not eveyone is qualified to be a Bishop, doesn't mean they can't be used by God in other profitable areas, just means they don't qualify in this arena.

 

Well, come on over to the PC(USA). We don't split those kinds of theological hairs. If God calls someone to serve, God calls someone to serve.

 

What was being described was the office of a Bishop not the role of a leader.

 

Come on over to the PCUSA where a woman can be man and a he can be a she!

"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. " - 1 Timothy 3:1​

 

This has always been my issue with the teaching regarding qualifications and divorce. People have placed divorice, which is not even mentioned in the qualifications, above all the other qualifications.

This is very inconsistent. We hear stories all the time of God using people that have broken all of the other qualifications presalvation, yet if a man is divorced before salvation then he is disqualified.

 

I really don't even understand why this is even debated. Are you suggesting that getting a divorce degrades someone's moral integrity? And, if so, how?

People change and I don't see why it is expected that every marriage is suppose to last until death. Would you rather two people who don't love each other any more stay together to "save face"?

 

This kind of thinking comes from the Bible. Observe 1 Timothy 5:9.

"Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man." - 1 Timothy 5:9​

This entry into the order of widowhood...is it allowed within this verse that it is possible for this widow to have been the wife of more than one man or is it clear that she must be 60 years old and been the wife of just one man?

If that same expression is used in the criteria of a bishop...

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" - 1 Timothy 3:2​

...why would it not be clear that a bishop must be the husband of but one wife?

It doesn't mean that someone is not forgiven of their pre-salvation sin, it just means that there is something that folks can take hold upon that would damage the office of a bishop and therefore that person does not qualify for the position.

For example, there is a pastor out there that advocates for the King James Bible and he's quite popular. Dude has been married three times and divorced two times, one marriage and divorce prior to salvation and the others post. He has done great disservice both to the office of a bishop and to the advocacy for the King James Bible by his neglect of this criteria. He could've still served the Lord admirably in another capacity but he was not called to pastor as the Bible is explicit on the criteria. The object should be "thy will be done" not "my will be done".

 

It has something to do with making a vow to each other. It's the part that goes "...forsaking all others, till death do us part." When you get married, feel free to leave that part of it out of your own vows. I'm sure your fiancee will totally understand that you might change.

I mean, you can't be expected to love her when she gets old and doesn't look as pretty as she did when she was young, right? After all, when you're tired of her, you can just get rid of her, right? I assume this means that she can just dump you when she gets tired of you too?

Let us know how that works out for you. :wavey:

 

Throughout my life I have noticed the following cases were arguable or discussable.
-a) Divorce before Salvation
- b) Fornication or Adultery of the spouse
- c) persecution of the faith by the spouse, this often happens in non-Christian countries, but even in Canada, it happens among the immigrants society.

I think a) was forgiven by Holy Spirit at the time of Salvation.
b) was approved by Jesus.
c) is partly rejected and partly approved by 1 Cor 7:12-16
( in this case whether the marriage was done before salvation or after salvation is important)

In case of c) the persecution of the believer by the unbeliever,
I believe, if the violence is involved, it means the spouse doesn't like the other who is a believer. Then one should say "I have to decide between God and man, and I would follow God" I remember a lady who tried to do her utmost to keep the commandments but her husband threw a cola can onto her head, which was very dangerous.

The main problem is that Mt 19:9 is very hardline expression.
BTW, the Bishop in 1 tim 3 is Episkope which may be best translated as "overseer" as we read in Acts 20:28, Paul called the elders of Ephesian Assembly as Overseers, which equates Episkope with Presbytero. Titus 1 implies this as well.
For the Elders or Overseers, more qualification may be necessary, and I believe that the discernment by the local church is important.


1 Cor 7:
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

(www.crosswalk.com)

What we have to clearly avoid is the divorce pursuing the sexual desire.

 

[sarcasm] Then live together. Shack up. Sleep around. [/sarcasm] Making a vow in front of God and others is not something that one should desire to break.

Perhaps you could help me as I help teenagers pick up the shattered wrecks of their lives...why? Because "people change:"

• Because Mom put on 20 pounds and Dad found a hottie.
• Because Dad got hooked on painkillers and squandered the possessions to get more.
• Because Mom met a better catch at work, and dumped dad.
• Because Mom and Dad "don't love each other anymore" and to heck with the babies they made. It's not THAT important to have a mom and dad together. Girls will figure out just fine how to be treated by men...they can read a book or something. Guys can learn how to treat women by asking their teammates on the football team.
• Because there's "millions of hot women" waiting to meet Dad on match.com, and the sex life with the wife has lost its zip.

Give me a break. "Save face," my left cheek. My response to that attitude is: Man up and keep your vows. Furthermore, treat that wife like you should, be the man that you should, and raise your kids like you should.

I am sickened when I hear this kind of flippant and cavalier attitude toward such a holy institution as marriage. I don't think you have a clue how young lives are destroyed.

Please do me a favor. Don't marry...EVER...unless this attitude of yours changes. If you must marry (bad idea with this approach) then NEVER EVER have kids. If and when you do, send them my way, and I'll do my best to help them with the wreckage.

Mad? You bet I'm mad. Half of the kleenex I hand out are to kids who are busted up because well, you know, people change, and mom and dad don't love each other anymore, and...

Absolutely nauseating.

 

I completely agree, rbell.

This is coming from a secular worldview. I heard the garbage that Rew was spewing, almost word for word, nearly 20 years ago in Sociology 101. It was garbage then and it's still garbage now.