Do Anti-War Protests Really Embolden Our Enemies?

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  1. poncho

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    Is there any factual evidence that supports the idea that anti war protests and or domestic opposition embolden our enemies? We seem to hear the notion tossed around alot but is there any truth to it? Just wondering what others thought about it.
     
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    When your country is in a war, you want your side to win (except for members of the American left, of course). In order for the other side to win, they must remain united against you. For those countries who engage the USA, whose military force is the greatest on earth, the only hope for victory is for the USA to lose the will to fight. This actually happened in the case of the Vietnam war, so it's not just a matter of theory, it's history. Those engaged in fighting against the USA know that history, and know what has to happen in America for them to triumph over us. The opposition to the war by Americans in this country is broadcast to the whole world, including our enemies. They know the more opposition that exists, the better for them. The more opposition they see, the greater their hope of victory. This cannot help but strengthen their resolve to continue fighting us, and to step up their aggression against us further. Thus, by simple logic, anti-war protests do indeed embolden our enemies.

    This is America, and everyone has the right to believe what they want about the war and to say it as often as they want. Americans have the right to protest the war, to criticize the administration, and even to demean our soldiers in the field if they so desire. But they can also voluntarily choose not to use that right, or at least to limit their use of it, so as to reduce the danger to our troops in the field and increase our chances of ultimately coming out on top. Unfortunately, too many in this country do not understand that, or simply hate their own country so much that they don't care.
     
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    That's the theory as I understand it but as the author of the article asks, " Is there historical merit in this historical comparison?" He continues, "There is abundant documentary and polling evidence to decide the case for the American side. On the Communist side, such evidence is scant. Nonetheless, drawing on interviews, captured Communist documents, newly revealed policy papers, and transcripts of negotiations between Hanoi and Washington, we can infer conclusions that carry more authority than deductions derived from ideological dogma and political spin about Communist thinking."

    What I'm looking for here is hard evidence that either backs up the theory or refutes it such as the policy papers and documents the author mentions. So far I am unable to locate any. He (the author) seems to think that the enemy had different thoughts on his own strategy than the American hawks claimed he did. I would hope that if we're going to make a claim such as "domestic opposition to war emboldens the enemy" we'd have something more tangible than rhetorical diatribes to base this claim on.
     
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    If demonstrations against a country or ideology emboldened an enemy, the the U.S. should just aout be the boldest around. I look around and see pacifists, so my answer to poncho's OP would be no.
     
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    That doesnt address the point and makes a comparison that cannot be made. It assumes we think like they do and have simular agendas. Neither is the case. The US is seen as not finishing the job we have started and for good reason. IN the past the anti everythings except socialism come out of the woodwork to protest and demonize our soldiers and we pull out before the job gets done much like the libs insist on now. so when the enemy sees this happening yet again thye get emboldened and continue to set up American soldiers to appear as if we have murdered innocent civilians etc.
     
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    I don't know how you feel about it, but I believe the fact that someone has a brain should be proof enough.

    It is indeed a "no brainer". :BangHead:
     
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    Thank you, walguy. A carefully, logically calculated response.
     
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    I believe it is un-American not to protest an unjust war, such as the one in Iraq!
     
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    My response is colored by my experience in Viet Nam from 70-73. I was there when Fonda was in Hanoi sitting in a gun emplacement and cheering when a US fighter went down.

    When there was a major anti war rally, the comments were always broadcast by Hanoi Hannah. Our POW's heard all about the comments of their fellow Americans.

    Protest is an American right. Free speech is guaranteed and must be protected. It may not embolden the soldier on the line, but it certainly emboldens the leaders by making them believe that many in America will run when its' nose gets bloody.
     
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    Of course you do. You are the sole arbiter of what is "unjust", at least in your own mind.

    But you still have to accept the responsibility for encouraging our enemies in time of war. It simply comes with the territory.
     
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    No one has yet offered any hard evidence here that domestic opposition to war actually does embolden the enemy. So far it looks as if the idea is all based on opinion only.

    Propaganda is always used in war to try to demoralize the other side. Same as in politics or so it would appear from watching the campaign adds and listening to the talking heads on tv and radio.

    But, we aren't fighting a war against soldiers that have a centralized command structure now, we're fighting a war against an ideaology where anyone who can shoulder a rifle or plant explosives can be the leader. The enemy in this war is an idea. So maybe I should have asked if domestic opposition to the wars we are currently involved emboldens those who have adopted this ideaology?
     
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    My answer would still be no.
     
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    Do you think the actions of the state itself (ours) could embolden the enemy?
     
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    Of OUR state ? No, I still don't. I think people are emboldened by what they get shown on state-run TV.

    Do I understand your question ?
     
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    Yeah, I can see that. Or it can work the other way around too I suppose.

    I don't even know if I'm asking the right questions so if you are confused don't feel bad. I was just thinking of the intell report that claims world wide terrorism has tripled since the invasion of Iraq.
     
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    And who is commissioned to count these terrorists ?
     
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    From what I understand they were counting terrorist attacks not actual terrorists. I don't know who's doing the counting.
     
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    Thanx for clarifying.



    I guess actions by the government & population could be used in propoganda ads, that are used in recruitment. If the media hadn't made so much of the Koran abuse story, I don't think it would have emboldened, or helped create more terrorists.

    Remember the media blitzes that were supposed to convince everyone that Terry Nichols, or David Koresh were beyond human,and needed to be destroyed, before thay had their day in court. Has what happened helped, or hurt that kind of seperatist movement ?
     

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