Do Anti-War Protests Really Embolden Our Enemies?

I don't know that Weaver was part of a seperatist movement. I don't have any idea whether it helped any movement or not I don't keep up on such things. Koresh? All I know about that is the government can get away with killing citizens on American soil with out to much fuss.

I do know that back awhile ago there was mention in the news about the Pentagon's Proactive Preemptive Operations Group.

The proposed organization(s) would incorporate and expand existing military covert capabilities for the preparation, training and execution of anti-terrorist operations with the NSC doing the planning. The Army's highly compartmentalized Intelligence Support Activity, established in 1981 and now known as Gray Fox, anti-terror and intelligence collection capabilities would be included in the postulated hierarchy. One recommendation calls for the creation of a "Proactive Preemptive Operating Group" (P2OG) that would oversee missions involving special forces, psychological warfare experts and other covert operations. One aim would be to "improve information collection by stimulating reactions" among intelligence targets. The intent of the new organizations would be to hold "states/sub-state actors accountable" and "signal to harboring states that their sovereignty will be at risk" according to the panel's briefing paper. SOURCE

I guess the whole idea is to keep poking sharp sticks in "intelligence targets" eyes until they react by carrying out terrorist attacks. Not very good for the victims that get caught in the middle I reckon. One might think that the Pentagon itself is recruiting for 'Al Qeada' doing this kind of thing.

 

I agree, some examples of the propaganda used by our own countrymen.

Islamofascism. The word itself is pure propaganda playing on fear.

Mushroom clouds. Another appeal to fear.

Saddam is a danger to our national security. He had no wmd's, he didn't have the military or economic means to attack us here. He wasn't tied to Al Qaeda.

Saddam tried to buy uranium, the "yellow cake" lie. Everyone knew the documents were forgeries but they used them anyway to appeal to fear.

The aluminum tubes and the British supplied helium trucks, again propaganda used to appeal to fear.

Then there are the talking heads like O' Reilly and Limbaugh that shout down critisize demonize or ignore anyone with with a different opinion. And call it fair and balanced. People like O'Reilly can't even get basic facts correct. That's why they rely so heavily on propaganda to get everyone to thinking if you disagree with the warparties you are a liberal or afflicted with some other mental disorder.

If anyone is guilty of using propaganda that has hurt or country, national security and emboldened Islamic terrorism it is those that have taken over our government, military and media and use it to enrich themselves.

And it is also used to shape public opinion and whip up support for elective wars and invasions and keep anyone with opposing views feeling demorilized and powerless.

Yeah we listened to them all shill for the warparties before the invasion of Iraq got scared and angry and gave or children and treasures to the MIC, oil barons and AIPAC to use as they please. Now the same people (after the truth has been steadily leaking out about them) are acting as thought police to try to bully people back into the mezmerized state they like to keep us in. But it isn't working anymore. We've found out what tools the propagandists like them use and we're seeing right through it. Well, most of are unless you listen to the O' Reilly's that try to make everyone think dissenters are just small groups of disgruntled leftists and conspiracy wackos. Along with their other childish primetime tantrums and Foxed facts.

Total theatrics! Neither party is opposed to war and both are subservient to business and foreign influences over our policies whether they be domestic or foreign. The republicans and democrats don't make policy, they follow the prepacked policies of whoever can 'influence' them enough. All their debates and postering mean nothing because they control nothing.

That's the story most often dutifully repeated anyways, a real honest and close look at all the documents, memos and propaganda reveals otherwise. Fascism? What is fascism? Business and government combined, we have the military contractors and transnational business interests running this country through the government. If that isn't fascism I don't know what is and neither do you. The Japanese were imperialists we "beat them" only to become like them? The whole idea of the GWOT is based on imperialism. Read what the neocons, and their partners at AIPAC the CFR and Trilateral Commisions were writting long before G. W. ever got to the WH.

Times have changed brother. People no longer blame our fighting men and women for the crimes of their 'superiors' at least not reasonable people which most are, The majority of people that protest this war have legitimate concerns. People like Sheehan and Fonda are put forward on center stage by the media for no other reason than to demonize and marginalize any legitimate movements. Cointellpro style.

Seems to me the un-informed opinions come from the warparties shills like O'Reilly and Hannity that can't even keep basic facts straight. You know what probably emboldens the 'enemy' more than anything else? Invading and ocuppyiny their lands on trumped up bogus charges that turn out to be total fiction when looked at afterwords in the proper context.

I would if I could find them. Latter on I may post a whole page of documents for you to read.

And while I'm at it I may as well get this out now before I am accused of such, I am not now nor have I ever been a liberal, a leftist, a commie, a socialist, an anti-semite, a speratist, a nazi, an anti-war advocate, a fascist, an imperialist, a globalist, or a democrat and I regret ever being a follower of the neo-conned republicrats.

I am a Christian and an American that see's clearly that our religion is being perverted and used against us by scoundrels on both sides of the aisle and our country being systematically dismantled and looted by a global crime syndicate that cares nothing for human life, liberty or our Constitutional Republic that was set up by our founders in the hopes of protecting us from just such a thing.

 

And I'm not a pacifist either.

 

Is this the best you can do? How disappointing.

 

Why is that?