Do arminians live in constant sin in regards to witnessing?

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  1. Daniel David

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    According to arminianism, people are free to determine their destiny. Also, a person must share Christ so that person may believe. So, do arminians live in sin in regards to witnessing because they do not witness 24/7? All you arminians who read this right now, are you not sinning by reading this and not rescuing people from hell?

    I have heard too many times that calvinists are not interested in evangelism, calvinism kills evangelism, and other statements. Truth is, if arminians were the one who were so concerned about it, they would be faithful to their doctrine and not do anything but witness.

    What say ye?
     
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    I think it is a loaded question, and I think that the description of each doctrinal persuasion is false and therefore it is degrading to the individual believer. :(
     
  3. William C

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    Preach,

    As a former Calvinist I am surprised other Calvinist on this board haven't slapped you hand by the implications you make in this post. Your question implies that Arminians believe evagelism is more necessary than do Calvinists.

    I think most Calvinist would find that slant toward hyperism to be repulsive. I know that I would have.

    Where is Pastor Larry to correct one of his own? :confused:
     
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    Perspectives of doctrine does not add or subtract the real need for us to share the gospel around the world. Jesus Christ commanded us to go into all the world, spreading the gospel.

    I don't see how Calvinism or Arminianism "gets us out" in that regard. As a child of God, I must be aware of the Spirit leading me to share the gospel. When He beckons me, and I say "no," then I have sinned.

    Preach the word is again misrepresenting the other side. A lot of straw men have appeared on the Calvinists' side lately.
     
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    No, they are not, unless you can find a Bible verse which says they should be witnessing 24/7.

    And if you can then it will apply to all Christians, since the Bible nowhere distinguishes between 'Arminians' and 'Calvinists'. It only distinguishes between the faithful and unfaithful, obedient and disobedient, etc.

    Not from me! [​IMG]

    I say go read your Bible instead of constructing straw-men...

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  6. Yelsew

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    How many Calvinists do you know who witness 24/7? Oh that's right, Calvinists do not have to witness at all because "they are the elect" and all the elect are saved!
     
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    WRONG again!

    Perhaps, Yelsew, you should study Calvinism's tenants or ask a Calvinist what they think about ___________doctrines before you speak. You got this wrong again.

    We still believe that preaching is important and absolutley necessary.

    Blessings,

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  8. Yelsew

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    Preaching?

    What about personal one-on-one witnessing that takes place whenever and wherever the opportunity presents itself.

    Having been a Southern Baptist and hence strong in Calvinist teachings for over ten years of my life, I can testify truly that I have never met a Calvinist that even lives for their own life, Calvinism 24/7.
     
  9. William C

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    WRONG again!

    Perhaps, Yelsew, you should study Calvinism's tenants or ask a Calvinist what they think about ___________doctrines before you speak. You got this wrong again.

    We still believe that preaching is important and absolutley necessary.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Angel,

    I love you brother but I think you are getting on to the wrong person here. Yelsew is responding to a mischaraterization with a mischaracterization.

    As a Calvinist, your frustration should be aimed toward PTW who says, "According to arminianism, people are free to determine their destiny. Also, a person must share Christ so that person may believe." As if Calvinists don't believe that a person must share Christ so that person may believe. Then he goes on to draw the ridiculous conclusion that because we believe so strongly in the need for evangelism that we should be doing it 24/7 as if Calvinists don't think the need is really that great. This misrepresents both Calvinists and Arminians.

    The Arminians have already rebuked his misrepresentation of us and of the scripture (as if anyone witnesses 24/7).

    Both Calvinist and Arminians, to my knowledge, witness because it's necessary in fulfulling God's plan of redemption. Both Yelsew and PTW have misrepresented that common belief, but to Yelsew's credit he only misrepresented Calvinism, not both sides as did PTW. And Yelsew comments were in response to P'TW's blantant mischaracterizations of Yelsew's beliefs.

    Where is his rebuke for PTW from the Calvinist's on this board? :rolleyes:
     
  10. Daniel David

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    Okay Calvinists and Arminians both believe in the need for evangelization.

    The Arminian also believes that man chooses his own destiny. Thus, if someone goes to hell, you are at fault. You should have witnesses to them. It is not a mischaracterization. I used to be arminian. It is totally true. How many times has your preacher made you go witnessing BY GUILT telling you how many people are going to hell because you aren't out there.

    The truth for the calvinist is that the Lord will definitely have someone to reach the lost.

    We alone have such confidence.

    Again, I don't think it is loaded at all. Being from that persuasion for so many years, and staunchly arguing against calvinism, I think qualifies me to at least discuss this matter.

    If you think people go to hell because you did not witness to them, then you are in sin for not witnessing to them. Therefore, you need to stop here and go witness.

    From my viewpoint, this is totally consistent in what I am saying. If you disagree, tell me where I went wrong.

    Btw, hypercalvinism is bad theology. I do not subscribe to hypercalvinism.

    I even quoted Paul's question: how will they believe in whom they have not heard. The hypercalvinist doesn't care about that verse.
     
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    You are not alone!
     
  12. Daniel David

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    How does the arminian have any confidence? How do you know preachers will go? How do you know a person will not decide to turn away and say forget about it? You don't.

    The calvinist can say that God has people ready to believe the gospel. I can say that the preacher will get there. I can say that the preacher will get there in time and never too late. I can say that no force in hell can stop it. I can say that there actually are elect people out there. I have such a guarantee. No arminian does.
     
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    Preach the word;
    Everyone knows Calvinist don't need to evangelize because they believe in predestination. All they have to do is live like there is no tomorrow and Jesus will take care of it. Why Shucks we Arminians are just so happy to hear from such a fine upstanding followers of men and the world like yourself that we can't hardly stand it.

    It so nice to converse with men who are so hateful to us, about Jesus Christ. We are here to evangelize you and you colleges. We feel it's God's calling, to witness to you. This way you know that you are missing the truth. What I really find funny is how hard you try to insult us for telling you the truth. Your ridicule is welcome.
    Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    Do you see what you are doing

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  14. William C

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    Thank you for conceding to the obvious.

    I pray that your "confidence" doesn't cost someone an eternity because you don't feel the urgency that we feel to evangelize the world. I was a Calvinist and though I would have never have admitted it then I often fell back on my doctine as an excuse not to witness when I was having one of those days, I figured oh well God will get them another way. Any doctrine that leads people to feel ok about not having an urgency to evangelize is hyperism, it sounds like you have that tendency PTW.

    You have just stated that my doctrine encourages me to get off this board and go witness, as if your doctrine doesn't encourage you to do the same thing.

    Calvinsts? Are you out there? Are you going to allow this guy to continue to misrepresent you like this.

    Ok, I'll help out the Calvinist this time. Arminian's may be motivated to evagelize because we do believe God has entrusted us to play a part in the process of redemption. But so do Calvinists. The motivation may be somewhat different but both should be equally motivated. Calvinists teach that they evagelize because God commands it. Is that not motivation enough for you to get off your "blessed assurance" and witness, or is the treat of your fellow man's eternal destiny being at sake the only motivator for evangelism? The only reason I ask is because you posts suggests that it is.

    But, unfortuately your posts suggest otherwise. BTW, there is a really good reason that most Calvinist avoid this line of argumentation. The Bible does seem to imply guilt could be applied to those who fail to evangelize, for example:

    Acts 18:6 But when they opposed him and blasphemed, he shook his garments and said to them, "Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles."
     
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    I agree with Scott Emerson that I usually have to be impressed by the Spirit to witness to a non-Christian. At times, more than I wish to admit, I have to prod myself into sharing my faith with other people. I never witness to the point where I might make someone angry with me in my presentation of Christ as an ambassador of His.

    In the last two months I have witnessed to two people, a trucker from Mississippi and a local high school student. I gave him a copy of my book called "Salvation" and suggested that he might say a prayer of repentance at the back of said book before he read it. I said, 'There is a prayer at the close of the book that I highlighted in yellow, if you are so moved to say this prayer. The trucker I witnessed to and then led him in a sinners prayer. He followed phrase by phrase and asked me to write down that prayer when I got home that I offered for him to follow, in his desire to know Christ personally. I sent that prayer to him in Mississippi along with my authored book.

    This is my honest testimony of my attempt to be used of God recently. [II Corinthians 5:20] I find that many people who find themselves in crisis, are more opened to the Lord than when their life is a 'bowl of cherries.'
     
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    I don't subscribe to hypercalvinism either but Primitive Baptist have been accused of such... One question... Will not Jesus Christ save all the Father gave him?... Will he or won't he? :confused: ... Brother Glen The Primitive Baptist [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, He will. Do you know why?

    (Altogether now...) The Bible tells me so! [​IMG]
     
  18. Daniel David

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    Such statements prove that you do not know the first thing about calvinism.

    This is apparently your take:

    God chose before creation. Therefore, live in sin all you want and people will be saved anyway.

    Here is the correction. I hope you stop misrepresenting us.

    God did chose before creation. God determined that the elect would be saved through the message of the gospel. Therefore, the same God who chose to save CERTAIN people will do so through the gospel. Paul says this in Romans 10. How shall they believe in whom they have not heard? The answer: just as God has made the stars to declare his glory over the whole world, so his preachers will reach those who are elect. So, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the (proclaimed) word of God.

    Perhaps you wouldn't be so quick to write theology off if you understood it.
     
  19. William C

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    I believe that the term "all the Father gives Him" are in reference to those who have been given to Christ while in the flesh. In other words, those who have been given to come and learn directly from the Incarnate Word before His assention into heaven. In short this is a phrase in reference to the apostles as clearly seen in John 17:6. It is only given to a very few to learn directly from the Christ thus given these the role of apostleship.
     
  20. KenH

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    Only in your distorted view of Scripture. :rolleyes: Isn't that how you made your entrance into this forum by spouting some such nonsense as that? It was a false belief then and it's still a false belief now.
     

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