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Do babies go to heaven when they die?

Discussion in 'Youth Forum' started by kallmekrazykatie, May 2, 2005.

  1. StefanM

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    The comparison of Canaan/heaven is not the point. The point is that there was an age at which God did not charge these individuals with guilt. If God does not charge an individual with any guilt, then how can the individual be sent to hell justly?
     
  2. Bro. James Reed

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    We are all guilty in Adam.

    We are conceived in sin, born in sin, and come forth speaking lies.

    I can't say definitely whether or not all children will go to heaven because I have yet to see scripture that proves conclusively one way or the other, but I do know that NO ONE will go unless they are regenerated children of God.

    Quite frankly, I'm not worried about who goes and who doesn't. God has control over that and the sooner we realize that, the sooner we can get about to more important things, like worshipping Him in spirit and in truth.
     
  3. Mercury

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    Psalm 74:21: "Let not the downtrodden turn back in shame; let the poor and needy praise your name." (but poor people go to Hell)

    Luke 18:18, 22-25: "And a ruler asked him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' ... When Jesus heard this, he said to him, 'One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.' But when he heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. Jesus, looking at him with sadness, said, How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.' " (but poor people go to Hell)

    I don't think posting parallel passages does much to bolster a case, but just in case:

    Matthew 19:21: "Jesus said to him, 'If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.' "

    Mark 10:21: "And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, 'You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.' " (but poor people go to Hell)

    Luke 6:20: "And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.' " (but poor people go to Hell)

    When I add up the biblical testimony, I still see the same thing I mentioned earlier. The Bible has even more good things to say about the poor than about children, including that God cares for them in a special way. That doesn't mean all poor people or all children are saved without exception.
     
  4. Gershom

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    Babies, who have no conception of sin, who have not committed sin, who cannot comprehend what faith in Jesus Christ means, will not go to Hell. It is unbelief that condemns.

    You people can't see the forest for the trees.
     
  5. Bro. James Reed

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    Gershom,

    babies are just as much sinners as the rest of us.

    They are just as guilty of the original sin as Adam and as the rest of us.

    They were conceived in sin and come forth speaking lies.

    Everytime a baby cries when he is not hurt, he is speaking lies.

    The devils believe and tremble, so are they going to heaven?

    Our unbelief is not what condemns us to hell, but rather our sins of every kind.

    Our sin in Adam is enough to condemn us to hell.

    There is only one way to salvation, and each of us that will be in eternal glory will be saved that way, whether we are 2 months or 100 years at death.

    Simply being a certain age is not the reason anyone goes to heaven.

    If that were the case, I would think we would all be in favor of abortion, so those who would not "get saved" would get a free ticket to heaven.

    I'm so thankful that is not how things work.
     
  6. Gershom

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    How so?

    Babies ar not guilty of "original sin" and neither am I or anyone else. If you're talking about Adam's sin, Adam is guilty. If you want to get technical about "original sin" maybe you should consider Lucifer.


    The first part I agree with, but probably not with your conception of it.

    [​IMG] That's just plain silly. You probably have no experience with raising children. What about when they're hungry, etc?

    Bloody well known, as well as John 3:16.

    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Would you be so kind as to expound upon this statement?

    Who's arguing that? Salvation is of the LORD.

    Who said it is?

    In favor of murder? I don't think that way, so I couldn't make that type of connection.
     
  7. Mercury

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    I disagree with these too. But, the sin nature is probably another topic.
     
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    Maybe someone has already mentioned this, but when King David's baby died, he knew he would see him again in heaven. That's why he quit fasting, cleaned himself up and got something to eat. David said that he would go to be with his baby, and he knew he was going to heaven. Believing babies go to heaven doesn't justify abortion, because God wants us to preserve life. And it's never right to do wrong to get a chance to do something right. In other words, it's never right to abort a child in order to send that child to heaven.
     
  9. Mercury

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    Yes, it's come up a few times. ;)

    My response from last time:
    David's fasting was his way of pleading to God for his son's life. When his son died, he realized God had decided and he could not change that, so he ended his fast.

    2 Samuel 12:21-23: "Then his servants said to him, 'What is this thing that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.' He said, 'While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, "Who knows whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?" But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.' "
     
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    Babies and infants will be judged by the law written upon their hearts since they have not heard of Jesus.

    What has any baby or infant done that transgresses this law? What has any baby or infant done to transgress the Law, period?

    Sin condemns through the Law. Without sin, there is no condemnation.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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