the point is, since the apostolic age, divisions or at least in doctrinal variations, already existed. it's not a mistake therefore to assume that churches then have been divided and categorized. during the Dark Ages certain christian groups were tortured. these groups are therefore non-protestants. history has it that this group continued even in extreme pressure. baptists claim this line. on the other hand, there are others who simply hid in caves and other places. the critical question is, are all those christian groups and churches that existed before the dark ages went on to be all baptist? i once talked to a seveth-day adventists and he told me that they also do not claim to be protestants. well, one version is that they were started by a baptist! so, is there any record of groups or churches other than the baptist which can claim existence apart from both the RCC and Protestants?