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Jkdbuck76 · Jun 15, 2015

The black lives matter crowd protested the police killing of a black man who pointed a gun at them.

Hint: the officer who shot and killed him was a black female. Her partner, a white male rookie was the one who had the gun pointed in his face.

Officers responded to a 911 complaint, a woman said a man with a gun threatened to kill her.

He was shot and killed by a black female officer. Nevertheless, the black lives matter crowd protested.
This tells me that they are anti-police. Hmm, if Quandavier had shot the black cop, you suppose the black lives matter crowd in Cincy would have protested?

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Jedi Knight · Jun 15, 2015

robustheologian said: ↑

Wrong person...you either were not paying attention or you're just deluded.
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Sure Zaac....sure.

Jedi Knight · Jun 15, 2015

Doubting Thomas said: ↑

Yet, the white folks aren't the ones chanting "white folks matter" whenever a white person is killed by the police. OTOH, you have the race hucksters riling up some black folks to chant "black lives matter" only when killed by the police, BUT NOT when killed by black criminals which take far more black lives than the police do. So my point is, this selective outrage from the black community is either due to ignorance of the bigger problem or to an anti-police agenda. In either case, it's hypocritical.
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Exactly,double standard is the racist norm.

Jedi Knight · Jun 15, 2015

righteousdude2 said: ↑

I am surprised you are permitted to continue to spew such hatred on this forum! :tear:
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Righteousdude he inadvertently just makes your light the more brighter! :smilewinkgrin:

righteousdude2 · Jun 15, 2015

Zaac said: ↑

It's hilarious robustheologian. They are all up in arms about me calling the cops terrorists when they have used every opportunity of a black person being murdered by the cops to call the dead folks thugs, to say they got what they deserved, etc, etc.

And then they have the audacity to try to marginalize it when folks say "Black lives matter" by saying "All lives matter".

A bunch of horse manure because if they REALLY felt like All lives Mattered, they'd be supporting the folks being murdered instead of the murdering terrorist police officers.
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I love how you can easily dialogue with your alter-ego, and do it with such ease! :laugh:

righteousdude2 · Jun 15, 2015

Zaac said: ↑

Man go on somewhere. If you and yours can call the black folks murdered by the cops thugs and all sorts of other pejoratives, then I can call the cops who murder terrorists.
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You are right .... you can say anything you want! But that don't make it so! Those who break laws and defy the laws of this land are in fact thugs, and it doesn't matter what the color of their skin may be! However, your calling cops terrorists is the same as you calling yourself a Big Mac just because you were in a McDonald's! Well, Big Mac, maybe today you can call yourself a large fry. :wavey:

Don · Jun 15, 2015

Zaac said: ↑

It's a fantastic analogy. Susan G. Komen promotes Breast Cancer Awareness. How many of you are running around saying why doesn't the organization promote ALL Cancer Awareness?
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The analogy fails on oh-so-many levels.

Cancer doesn't care what color your skin is.

Cancers actually come in different types, requiring different types of treatment. To make this analogy, one would have to argue that different skin colors demand different treatment; which demands racism.

People already argue for ALL cancer awareness.

And there are more, but I think that makes the point.

Zaac · Jun 16, 2015

Don said: ↑

The analogy fails on oh-so-many levels.

Cancer doesn't care what color your skin is.
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The analogy works on so many levels. You just fail to comprehend.

Cancer doesn't have to care what color your skin is as the analogy had nothing to do with skin color, but rather the fact that some of you try to marginalize black people saying that Black lives matter by saying that ALL LIVES MATTER. But you don't try to marginalize the fight against breast cancer by saying that ALL CANCER AWARENESS.

Cancers actually come in different types, requiring different types of treatment. To make this analogy, one would have to argue that different skin colors demand different treatment; which demands racism.

People already argue for ALL cancer awareness.
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Where are the white people running around saying that there should be ALL CANCER AWARENESS?

Don't act daft.

Zaac · Jun 16, 2015

righteousdude2 said: ↑

You are right .... you can say anything you want! But that don't make it so!
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Just like you running off at the lip doesn't make the majority of the foolishness you type so.

Be gone with a quickness.

matt wade · Jun 16, 2015

Zaac said: ↑

Where are the white people running around saying that there should be ALL CANCER AWARENESS?
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Ever heard of the American Cancer Society?

Zaac · Jun 16, 2015

matt wade said: ↑

Ever heard of the American Cancer Society?
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Yep. You ever hear the American Cancer Society come out and say that ALL CANCER AWARENESS when the Susan G. Komen organization says Breast Cancer Awareness?

Of course you don't because they've got sense enough to know that the Susan G. Komen organization already believes in ALL CANCER AWARENESS but that they have chosen to focus on Breast Cancer Awareness because of the personal impact it had on Susan G. Komen.

The only reason some white people are saying ALL LIVES MATTER in response to BLACK LIVES MATTER is because some of you are just racially prejudiced and wicked to the core when it comes to black people.

The Breast Cancer Analogy is on point and highlights the vitriol in the hearts of some white people against Blacks.

And yes, that list includes YOU.

InTheLight · Jun 16, 2015

Don said: ↑

People already argue for ALL cancer awareness.
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But there are groups of people arguing for research and treatment of particular cancers. There is "Breast Cancer Awareness" and "Thyroid Cancer Awareness", and "Lymphoma Cancer Awareness". Recently I heard of a "Melanoma Monday". Really? That was a new one on me.

For an entire month (November?) the NFL players wear pink. Pink shoes, pink receiver's gloves, etc. On a day in May all the Major League baseball players use pink bats. That is definitely singling out one type of cancer. Or if you like, discriminating against other cancers.

If people are already arguing for ALL cancer awareness why break them out into particular segments? Why do some cancers get more publicity than others?

targus · Jun 16, 2015

InTheLight said: ↑

But there are groups of people arguing for research and treatment of particular cancers. There is "Breast Cancer Awareness" and "Thyroid Cancer Awareness", and "Lymphoma Cancer Awareness". Recently I heard of a "Melanoma Monday". Really? That was a new one on me.

For an entire month (November?) the NFL players wear pink. Pink shoes, pink receiver's gloves, etc. On a day in May all the Major League baseball players use pink bats. That is definitely singling out one type of cancer. Or if you like, discriminating against other cancers.

If people are already arguing for ALL cancer awareness why break them out into particular segments? Why do some cancers get more publicity than others?
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In a word... money.

Zaac · Jun 16, 2015

InTheLight said: ↑

But there are groups of people arguing for research and treatment of particular cancers. There is "Breast Cancer Awareness" and "Thyroid Cancer Awareness", and "Lymphoma Cancer Awareness". Recently I heard of a "Melanoma Monday". Really? That was a new one on me.

For an entire month (November?) the NFL players wear pink. Pink shoes, pink receiver's gloves, etc. On a day in May all the Major League baseball players use pink bats. That is definitely singling out one type of cancer. Or if you like, discriminating against other cancers.

If people are already arguing for ALL cancer awareness why break them out into particular segments? Why do some cancers get more publicity than others?
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Beautiful. Again illustrating why the cancer analogy was perfect.

It begs the question why the OPoster and so many others have a problem with Black people expressing that Black Lives Matter?

And I believe it also demonstrates a propensity of some white people to always try to marginalize, innocently or not, the lives of anyone except other white people.

targus · Jun 16, 2015

Zaac said: ↑

Beautiful. Again illustrating why the cancer analogy was perfect.

It begs the question why the OPoster and so many others have a problem with Black people expressing that Black Lives Matter?

And I believe it also demonstrates a propensity of some white people to always try to marginalize, innocently or not, the lives of anyone except other white people.
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"Black Lives Matter" is fine. The problem is that many black people in this country don't really act as though they believe it.

If black parents believed it they would be keeping their children in after dark and encouraging them to study instead of allowing them to run the streets.

Black parents would be telling their children to respect all adults, especially adults in authority such as police and school authorities.

Black parents would be teaching their children to respect the property of others.

Black parents would be teaching their children to respect females.

Black parents would not allow their children to listen to music that disrespects women and praises the gangster lifestyle.

Need I go on?

As it stands it seems that "black lives matter" is just a slogan...

Like cheering for your local sports team without investing anything real into it.

Doubting Thomas · Jun 16, 2015

targus said: ↑

"Black Lives Matter" is fine. The problem is that many black people in this country don't really act as though they believe it.

If black parents believed it they would be keeping their children in after dark and encouraging them to study instead of allowing them to run the streets.

Black parents would be telling their children to respect all adults, especially adults in authority such as police and school authorities.

Black parents would be teaching their children to respect the property of others.

Black parents would be teaching their children to respect females.

Black parents would not allow their children to listen to music that disrespects women and praises the gangster lifestyle.

Need I go on?

As it stands it seems that "black lives matter" is just a slogan...

Like cheering for your local sports team without investing anything real into it.
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Good points. :thumbs:

Zaac · Jun 16, 2015

targus said: ↑

"Black Lives Matter" is fine. The problem is that many black people in this country don't really act as though they believe it.
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Need I go on?
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Nope. There's been 200+ years of the folks who orchestrated the problem telling Blacks what they should do. There's been 200+ years of white folks who who think they have either the moral or factual basis to lecture black folks about these so-called pathologies in the black community, while ignoring the "social rot" taking place in the white communities.

I'll let Mr. Tim Wise address your white-privileged, moral superiority.

Tim Wise said:

One in seven white women, for instance, smoke cigarettes while pregnant, thereby endangering the health of their soon-to-be-born children: a rate that is 60 percent higher than the rate for black women. White women were also about 30 percent more likely than black women to drink alcohol when pregnant in 2010-2011, thanks to a significant reduction in gestational alcohol consumption among black women compared to previous years and a slight increase in such consumption among whites. So is there something about white culture that contributes to this disproportionately cavalier attitude among white women when it comes to the health of their developing fetuses?

And what is it with white people and suicide? Although suicide touches all communities, the numbers show that whites end our own lives at a far higher rate than blacks. In 2010, for instance, whites committed suicide at a rate that was roughly three times higher than the rate for blacks. Is there something about whites, culturally, that can explain this disproportionate inability to cope with life’s pressures, or with depression, or the other precursors to suicide?

And what’s the deal with white people and drug overdoses? In 2010, for example, white men were nearly twice as likely as black men to die from an opioid overdose and white women were more then twice as likely to die from such an overdose as black women. Interestingly, not only are whites apparently having a hard time handling our drugs, but even more telling, there has been a shift in the rates of opioid overdose deaths since the late 1990s, at which point black men were actually 44 percent more likely than their white counterparts to die this way. Since 1999, while black male opioid drug overdose deaths have fallen, rates for whites have increased by 137 percent! In other words, black men are taking it easier on the heavy stuff, while apparently white men are swallowing Hydrocodone like Tic-Tacs. What’s up with that?

And don’t even get me started on binge-drinking! It had been a while since I’d looked at the data on this, and although I knew white rates of heavy boozing were higher than the rates for blacks about a decade ago, I had hoped that we might have learned to control ourselves in the interim, but no such luck apparently. In 2011, for instance, white folks were still about one-fourth more likely than blacks to have binged in the past month, and 78 percent more likely to binge drink regularly (5 or more times in one month).

And although most youth, regardless of race, don’t use hard drugs, racial disparities remain when it comes to these harder narcotics. By their senior year of high school, whites are four times more likely than blacks to have used hallucinogenic drugs, with 1 in 11 white seniors having done so, compared to only 1 in 42 black seniors. Likewise, white seniors are 2.4 times more likely to have tried Ecstasy, four times more likely to have tried cocaine (even 2.5 times more likely to have used crack), 3.5 times more likely to have used amphetamines (with more than 1 in 7 white seniors having used these compared to about 1 in 22 blacks), and 4 times as likely as comparable blacks to have used sedatives, with one in ten white high school seniors having done so. Among 12th graders, whites are 2.7 times more likely than comparable blacks to have used a prescription drug without a prescription, with about 1 in 6 whites having done so.

As for current drug use, by 10th grade, whites are nearly 70 percent more likely than comparable blacks to have used an illicit drug other than marijuana in the past month, and by 12th grade, they are more than twice as likely to have done so, with 1 in 10 whites currently using drugs other than weed, compared to only 1 in 23 blacks in that grade.

In college, the disparities continue, with white students more than twice as likely as black students to smoke weed or use other illicit drugs like Ecstasy, twice as likely as black students to abuse prescription opioids and three times as likely to abuse stimulants. At HBCUs, there is virtually no evidence of prescription stimulant abuse at all, according to one national survey, again suggesting that maybe white culture needs to take a few pointers from black folks and the educational institutions where they predominate.

All in all, as the Centers for Disease Control note, there are any number of dangerous activities in which white youth engage more often than black youth. Yet somehow we escape the generalized cultural critiques that follow blacks whenever members of their group do something wrong. In addition to the above-mentioned differences in alcohol and drug use, as well as drunk driving and smoking, white youth are also more likely than blacks to text while driving, thereby putting themselves and others at risk on the road, more likely to vomit or take laxatives so as to lose weight, less likely to have used a condom the last time they had sexual intercourse, and far more likely to use dangerous, cancer-causing tanning lamps to become, well, darker — which raises the question as to why white people hate ourselves so much that we’ll go out of our way (especially white women and those guys from Jersey Shore) to become brown. But that’s another essay for another day I suppose.

And why are white youth so disrespectful to their parents? According to the available evidence whites between 12 and 17 are nearly twice as likely as their black counterparts to have fought with their parents at least 10 times in the past year. Why no lectures from the cultural warriors of the right towards smart-mouthed white teens, whose disrespect for their parents clearly indicates a pathologically delinquent tendency? And please, someone develop this lecture quickly as we have a 12-year old who I fear may be tempted to try out some of that white-culture-backsassing-**** on us any day now!

And why no sexual responsibility lectures for the white and affluent college students who apparently are far more likely to hookup with multiple sexual partners than college students of color? Putting aside the over-reaction to so-called hookup culture in general (which seems to be substantially overblown as is the case with most conservative moral panics), and the way in which that reaction seeks to demonize and then circumscribe the sexual freedom of women, to the extent there is any overly-irresponsible sexual behavior on campus, it is the white and wealthy who drive the trend.

Looking again at drug use, but now for the overall white versus black populations — in other words, not just youth — although current drug usage rates are roughly the same across racial lines, the sheer numbers of white drug users should sound alarm bells, especially among those who claim that a few thousand black murderers per year presents a cultural crisis in the black community. So, for instance, the data indicates that as of 2011 there were approximately 83 million white people, 18 or over who had used illicit drugs, as opposed to only 13 million such blacks; 23 million whites who had used drugs this year, as opposed to only 4 million blacks; and 13.4 million current white drug users, compared to about 2.6 million blacks.

For cocaine, whites are over 75 percent more likely than blacks to have tried the drug, while for hallucinogenic drugs, whites are nearly two-and-a-half times more likely than blacks to have tried them. For prescription psychotherapeutics like pain relievers, sedatives, tranquilizers or stimulants, nearly 1 in 4 whites have misused them by taking such drugs without a prescription, compared to fewer than 14 percent of blacks.

So why no cultural critique of white drug use, or hysterical cries that white drug users indicate something about white people that needs to be collectively addressed? After all, drug users in the white community are far more prevalent as a percentage of our population than black violent criminals are of theirs.
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To be continued

Zaac · Jun 16, 2015

Tim Wise continued said:

although violent crime rates are higher in black communities than white ones — owing to various socioeconomic conditions more prevalent there, such as crowded housing, population density and poverty concentration — there are certain indicators that white folks, especially youth, might be increasingly predisposed to violence too. So, contrary to popular belief, white high school students are more likely than black students to carry weapons, either generally or at school, with young white men being more likely than members of any other group to do so. In the past month, nearly 3 in 10 white males in high school carried a weapon, compared to only about 2 in 10 comparable black males. When can we expect to hear O’Reilly or Limbaugh or Hannity decry this increasing tendency to carry weapons among young white men, the way they lecture black men for doing so in places like Chicago? Or are these white men just carrying weapons to protect themselves from the random deer that are known to invade the halls of America’s secondary schools?

Especially considering the disproportionate rate at which white males are involved in mass shootings or other killings, like spree killings, this tendency to carry weapons, either in general or on campus should give pause to all persons concerned about the health of white culture and the fate of the nation.

Though I have no doubt there are redeeming aspects to white culture, with data such as this, and in so many categories of apparent and overwhelming dysfunction, can any rational person deny the crisis in white America? How much longer will we ignore the pathological behaviors of the nation’s dominant racial group? How long will we allow whites to blame their problems on affirmative action, Mexican immigrants, high taxes, Obamacare, Islam, oh, and black people, when it is so blindingly obvious that we are our own worst enemies?

Enough is enough. Time for some tough love. Time for white leaders and white-led organizations to finally speak out about the ruinous behavior of white children and their Oxy-addled, thrice-divorced, morally reprobate parents.
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As it stands it seems that "black lives matter" is just a slogan...
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As it stands it seems as that the "ALL LIVES MATTER" is just a racially prejudiced retort from folks who clearly don't think ALL LIVES MATTER.

targus · Jun 16, 2015

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Thus Zaac shows that "black lives matter" is just a slogan for him too.

Jedi Knight · Jun 16, 2015

targus said: ↑

Nonresponsive...

Thus Zaac shows that "black lives matter" is just a slogan for him too.
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Zaac might be a white chick who identifies herself as a black man. :type:

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