I know the answer brethren and sisters. For the vast majority of you, the answer is an emphatic YES! Most of us, Calvinists and Arminians and other orthodox Christians, believe that God has always known all there is to ever know about everything. God has never learned anything because he has always known all there is to ever know. God sees the future as clearly as he sees the present and the past and he has always known everything that would ever happen. Because we all believe this, both major soteriological systems have problems. The problem is that we cannot, neither one of us, offer an emotionally satisfying explanation of the origin of evil and the damnation of souls. Both the Cal and Non-cal say, "God knew before he made the world exactly what would happen. He knew that evil would enter the world and that billions of people would die lost. Yet God went right ahead and made this world anyway." It is a problem for both of us, isn't it? I confess, Calvinism does not scratch my itch on this issue. But what I am not willing to do, and what I believe most of us are unwilling to do, is REDEFINE omniscience to pretend as if God did not know that if he built this world that billions would perish. I don't fully know why he did it. But I will not, like most of you, make God less than God just so I can exonerate him in my own mind. To make God less than truly eternally all-knowing is to make God less than God. Addendum: I am not saying God KNOWING what would happen is what CAUSED it to happen. I am saying that God knew what would happen if he built this world and he went right ahead and built it any way. I can't explain that, and neither can, I suspect, anyone who is unwilling to redefine omniscience. Skandelon will try at this point to turn this into another debate- one about determinism and God's knowledge being causally effectual of everything that happens. Since I am not saying that at all here, this thread should not be highjacked to talk about those things. HERE IS THE QUESTION: Can ANY theological system which embraces the omniscience of God really explain this difficulty in any emotionally satisfying way? I contend that neither Calvinism nor Arminianism or any other non-cal system can.