Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future

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  1. antonyanil

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    Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future


    Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future. When you ask some thing in present or some thing in the future, it clearly means that you are reminding Him about the corresponding reaction that is to be immediately implemented in the need. This indirectly means that God is not alert as you are. This is insulting God. Due to such sin the requirement is not answered. If you are asking to protect yourself or somebody else, it indirectly means that He is not aware of the things to be done due to the irresponsibility and this also indicates that He is not as kind as yourself.

    It means that God has potency to help but not kind enough to render the help. On contrary, it also means that you lack unfortunately the potency. It means if you fortunately have the potency you could have immediately responded and helped. Therefore, when ever you ask for anything it clearly means indirectly that God has some type of defect, which does not exist in your case. When you ask Him to fulfill the desire it looks as if that your desire is constitutionally justified. But God is not positively reacting due to either lack of positive response immediately or due to lack of knowledge of the constitution or due to lack of kindness to help the needy. All these points are very very subtle. But God is the most subtle and therefore, the knowledge of this analysis will certainly restrict you from asking any fulfillment of your desire.

    Never bring present and future before God. Confine to the past always before God. Look back at your past life. Hundreds of incidents are there where you were helped by God. Even if you dispose some incidents through the incidental probability of success or through the efficiency of your efforts, certainly there are plenty of instances in which the help from God is clearly evident. At least remember those few incidents and express your gratefulness along praise to God for His kind help that was already done. The word Krutajnata means remembering the past help. Kruta means the past help done. Jna means identifying it by analysis. If you confine to praying the Lord and thanking Him always about the past helps from Him, the Lord will be immensely pleased. Then the present and future are spontaneously taken care of by the God. But do not adopt this technique with a mind that you will be helped by God in the present and in the future by following this procedure!

    You should really follow this path and you should really forget the present and the future. When large number of people came to hear the message from Jesus, they were hungry by the noon. This point was brought to the notice of Jesus. He never asked God to provide food for those hungry people who came to hear God’s word. Had He asked for that, He would have insulted God. God knows His responsibility very well towards the devotees who came there to hear about Him. God has the power to fulfill His responsibility even in the last fraction of second. Had Jesus told God to bless the devotees with food, it clearly means that God is not as kind as Jesus. Jesus never asked for any thing. He came to know that there were four breads. He took them and showed to sky. He thanked God for providing those four pieces of bread.

    Immediately the present was responded and the four breads became four thousand breads. This application of analysis is limited to Nivrutti only. You should not extend this to Pravrutti. When you are hungry you have to beg the other souls because they are not omniscient to know that you are hungry. Pravrutti and Nivrutti should never be mixed.
     
  2. Allan

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    Before I speak to this.. I would like to say welcome.

    Please do not take what I am about to say as mean however, there is much in your post that does not mess with biblical teachings.

    Scripture tells us in no uncertain terms to ask, for things concerning now and later, but not to be consumed with the 'later' to the point of it dominating you.

    You see this CONSTANTLY in the New Testament. We see scripture declare.. "you don't have because you have not asked, or you have asked for the wrong reason - to consume it with your lust. The thrust of his point was that there was 2 reasons for God not answering their prayers. 1 - they had not even asked; 2 - they were asking to satisfy their own desires and not seeking what God wanted. Nothing in scripture ever tells us, alludes to, or insinuates for believers not to pray about the present or future things. In fact, that is one of the very purposes OF prayer.

    The apostle Paul tells us to pray for all things, at all time, and for all people. He says the Father knows what you will ask for, BEFORE you ask for it.. but we are COMMANDED to ask!
    Or this passage on prayer that Paul is requesting on future things:
    If we are not to pray for the things in the present but just leave it up in air then we violate scripture. Another point here are those who are sick. We are to pray for them. James tells us simply:
    Another important point to note also is that Jesus never once told people not to ask of God anything, as if that would offend God. In fact, He asked them what they wanted or needed, and as a result, satisfied that need

    Jesus didn't bother praying for the Father to bring food because HE was going to provide the food. He already knew, as anyone there, someone had brought something and JESUS was going to increase what was brought. The Father was glorified in the Son.

    Sorry, but you REALLY need to study much, much, more. There is no way you can get these kind of ideas through a basic and proper study of the scriptures.
     
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  3. freeatlast

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    Hello,
    welcome to the board. antonyanil your belief is really not scriptural. Just about all prayer is future. It may be future for just a few minutes or a few hours or a few days, but most prayer is future. When we pray for our daily bread we are asking for future provision of food for that day. We do not wait until time to eat and set down and ask God to suddenly materialize food in front of us. So the premise that we should not pray for future events is simply not accurate. Even Jesus prayed for the future and He is our example. Read Luke 22:31-32. That is a present and future prayer. If we are going to travel someplace we can ask God ahead of time to keep us safe or if someone is sick and needs medical attention we can ask God to give the Doctor the wisdom to treat them. Praying for future things is not sin or wrong and God does not take any issue with it.
     
  4. antonyanil

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    Praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance
    God optimize the sequence of fruits of deeds of a soul

    God created this world with happiness and misery, which are alternating in the cycle like the plates in a moving wheel. God arranged the fruits of good and bad deeds in alternating manner even though good or bad deeds are done in a long sequence. This reshuffled arrangement of happiness and misery resembles the sweet and hot dishes in the meals and also resembles to a cinema containing both scenes of happiness and tragedy in alternating manner. Such system of alternating arrangement gives continuous entertainment not only to God but also to the individual soul. Thus, the basic intention of the God is only to entertain Himself and also all the individual souls. Anything, either happiness or misery bores, if it is continuous. Boring itself is misery.

    If you have compelled God to give happiness continuously though your prayers and worship, God will drag the happiness from the future cycle as a premature fixed deposit with reduced interest and hands it over to you. He will not give happiness to you if there is no balance of good deeds. As the impartial judge, He will not give happiness to you if there is no good deed in your list. Therefore, asking God for continuous happiness is the most foolish solution because it bores giving misery to you at the expense of good deeds. You are purchasing the misery with your hard earned cash! Moreover, when all the good deeds are exhausted, you will have the continuous misery only in all your future births. Therefore, praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance.


    Such happiness attained is temporary. Hence, the permanent solution is only to learn to enjoy both good and bad results and attain continuous happiness without boring and this is the real bliss. Bliss is the state of God, who is entertained with this world having alternating scenes of happiness and misery. You have already learnt to be happy by enjoying the happiness. Now through the spiritual knowledge and continuous practice, you learn to enjoy the misery also in equal way. Now, your enjoyment becomes continuous without boring due to absence of single phase (happiness or misery) and you have attained the state of God which is possible though effort. Now you can say that you are God because the maximum possible state of God is achieved (Matbhavamagatah..Gita). Creation, Rule and Destruction of this world are impossible for any individual soul though any effort and hence these three capabilities are irrelevant to the spiritual effort. If you attain the aim, which is possible for attainment, it is certainly the full success and you can claim that you are God in the total sense of the possible achievement.
     
  5. Allan

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    WHOA!! You think you become God and or attain a state of being like God.. did you lie to get in here by stating you are a baptist? Yet, no Christian (not just a baptist) worth his salt would ever make such a ridiculous statement as you becoming God or like God in any "total sense of possible achievement". Just letting you know, I have reported you.

    Till then..

    Hmmm.. You state "Praying God to solve a problem is the most foolish path of ignorance" yet seem to miss the very FACT that God tells us to do just that. Thus you call God a fool who commanded that we are pray to Him. I also I noticed that you did not and do not deal with scripture itself. (Now I know why as you are not even a believer)
    Please show from the Christian Bible, your position. The Bible not only contradicts your opinion but destroys it completely. You think you can attain some higher plain of enlightenment, it SEEMS, when in fact you are descending into the depths of hell in your postulations. Your entire presumption to gaining heaven and/or enlightenment is based on works.. but God tells us in His word.. Eph 2:8-9 "it is by grace (giving you something you don't deserve) you are saved through faith, and not of yourselves, it is a gift. It is not of works, so no one can boast."
    You have no footing and no ground to stand on.

    I have given a few of MANY scriptural examples that you must first deal with before continuing.

    Also, God did not create the world with happiness and misery. When it was originally created, it was without sin, and therefore without misery.

    Additionally, it is through our prayers, and not the absence of it, that God moves and blesses His people. You find multiple times in scripture where God or his prophets declare in His name - They shall cry out to me.. I will hear them, and will ANSWER them (paraphrase), and such statements and variations. Even in the model prayer of Jesus in the NT - The Lord Himself states in that prayer - give us this day our daily bread (or provisions for the present).. and to lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one (guidance and provision for the future).

    Bliss is not a state of being in the Christian understanding. The Joy of the Lord is there even in the midst of great pain and suffering. Yet it is not bliss, which is an all encompassing emotional state of being. You are confusing worldly emotions and spiritual concepts.


    You will never and can never become God or even close to Him. God sent Christ Jesus for a purpose and that purpose is - that whoever will believe on Him (Jesus), might be saved. Apart from Jesus, you will die in your sins (your breaking of God's laws). You will not come this way again, but will stand immediately before the judgment seat. You will find on that moment the scriptures were true when they state.. whosoever will call upon me, shall be saved.
    They will no longer live for themselves (or according to their previous notions) but will live for Him who loved them and gave himself for them.
    Jesus came BECAUSE no man can come to God thus God had to come to us. He sent forth the Holy Spirit BECAUSE no man can know spiritual truths of or by himself - God must reveal them to him. God is only pleased by faith and without faith, there is no pleasing God, who is the judge of living and the dead.
    Listen Friend, there is no other way to please nor appease God apart from Christ Jesus, the only true and living God and Judge.
     
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  6. Rippon

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    I completely agree with what Allan wrote.

    Anthonyanil,I sincerely think you are not a Christian. You are welcome here in a certain aspect -- but to post such blantantly anti-Christian teachings on a Christian forum is not proper. You need to study the Bible and go to a Bible-believing/teaching church. You need to gather some authentic Christian friends for counsel.
     
  7. freeatlast

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    antonyanil let me ask you something. Why do you believe that you are a Christian? Exactly what did you do to be a Christian?
     
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  8. David Lamb

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    It is good and biblical to remember God's past blessings and mercies, but there are many, many examples in the bible of people praying to God concerning the present and the future. Here are a few examples:

    Manoah's wife prayed that God would grant her a child. (1 Samuel 1). When she prayed, she had never given birth in the past, so she was praying about the future. God answered her prayer, and she gave birth to Samuel.

    In Luke 22.32, Jesus says that He had prayed that His heavenly Father would not let His disciples' faith fail. That prayer concerned both present and future.

    Elijah prayed that it would not rain. James 5.17:
    Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months.
    There are many more instances of people praying about the present and the future. When His disciples asked Him to teach them to pray, one of the things Jesus told them to pray was: "Give us day by day our daily bread." (Luke 11.3). He didn't tell them to pray that God would give them bread in the past (though they could certainly thank God for His past provision), but in the present and future.

    Indeed, although we can thank God for the past, and ask His forgiveness for our past sins, all our praying concerns the present, or the future, or both. What purpose would praying about the past serve? (Of course, after speaking to a certain person about Jesus Christ, we might well pray that God would graciously save that person, but that is still praying for the future).

    Perhaps you have only been a Christian for a short time. I can remember that when I first became a Christian, there was so much I didn't understand. Maybe that is what you are finding, and you would like help to understand what Christian prayer is. If that is so, why not ask? I am sure many members of this Baptist Board would be glad to help you.

    But if you really believe that it is wrong to pray about the present or the future, what evidence do you have from the bible to support that belief?
     
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    Are you claiming Jesus recommended we "insult" the Father by praying "Give us this day our daily bread"?
     
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    What in the world??? [​IMG]
     
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    You can tell pretty quickly when someone is coming here not to debate or enjoy fellowship but to promote a heretical agenda. I'm sensing a mixture of Bible with some type of false eastern philosophy.

    My Indian friend, you should stick strictly to the Bible and leave off the other stuff. It's leading you down the wrong path and clouding your ability to clearly hear God's word speaking to you.
     
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    Bye bye, Antony.
     
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    I hear the banned playing...
     

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