Do people exist today who are related to Jesus Christ?

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  1. LadyEagle

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    There is no reason why not. And every reason why they do not know it!
     
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    LadyEagle,

    I would say there would have to be blood descendants from Joseph's line, unless by chance all were killed or died before producing offspring. Would be interesting to trace the geneaology.
     
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    The existence of the Jewish people as a distinct race, chosen by God (Deut.7:6-10)is a miracle--the fact that the nation of Israel exists is another miracle and attests that God has not forsaken His chosen people, Israel.

    For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. (Deuteronomy 7:6-10)

    Since Jesus Christ was in the lineage of the tribe of Judah and Jewish, I believe there are probably Jewish people alive today who are (physically) related to Him.

    However, we need to remember that we, as born again, blood washed believers in Christ (Jew and Gentile) are heirs of our Heavenly Father and joint-heirs with Christ---PTL! (Gal.3:28-29; Rom.8:17) [​IMG]
     
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    Matt 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, your mother and your brethren stand without, desiring to speak with you. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

    Jesus does not have physical descendents. He was conceived of Spirit - not by the will or desire of man, fully human - yes, and fully God. His half brothers rejected Him, other than James and Jude. He is God, manifest in the flesh, not physically related to anyone. I think Jesus said it all, don't you? :D

    [ January 09, 2006, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: eloidalmanutha ]
     
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    Me, I'm adopted.

    PTL
     
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    bttt...odds are.
     
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    Statistically, I would say yes.
     
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    A firm 'no'. Jesus was not born of Mary, but the Holy Spirit. There are decendants of Mary and Joseph...but they are not direct descendents of Jesus.
     
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    The question was not are there any direct descendents of Jesus Christ, but rather, Are there people alive today who are related to Jesus Christ..

    Joseph was not Jesus' natural father, but Mary was His natural mother. It is highly possible that Jesus' half-brothers or half-sisters had children and carried that blood line. They would be related to Jesus
     
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    You know, it occurs to me that we simply do not know if the process of producing Jesus in Mary's womb actually involved using her fertilized egg or if, as part of the miraculous conception involved, the human origin egg as well as the human origin sperm were both bypassed. We can speculate but we cannot know. But if the egg were indeed also bypassed, then no man alive could ever be genetically related to Jesus.

    So that's one of those minor mysteries we'll have to wait for heaven to answer, along with just which twelve apostle names are carved into the foundations of the New Jerusalem . . .
     
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    Huh? Those two things are not necessarily contradictory. The scripture tells us Jesus was born of Mary. He was also conceived of the Holy Spirit.

    Mary was not just an incubator, but the actual biological mother of Jesus. And Mary's other children were then biologically related to Jesus, so any of their descendents would be biologically related to Jesus.

    Are there any of them alive today? How would we know? Some biological lines do die out over time, but it's certainly possible that there are people who are biologically related to Jesus alive today.
     
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    I would definitely agree with the gist of your statements. When the angel appeared to Mary, he said that the power of the Holy Spirit would overshadow her and she would conceive the Messiah. His conception was a supernatural event and a miracle. Mary was an ends to the means. The incubator - perhaps "surrogate mother" for lack of a better word [​IMG] [ducking :eek: ] She is NOT the mother of God, nor are her subsequent children blood relatives of Jesus.
     
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    Actually wasn't the prophesied Messiah said to be the "seed" of woman?
     
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    Just noticed the citation of the angel's promise that Mary would conceive of the Holy Spirit. That seems most definitely to imply that her egg was used.
     
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    It was her egg or else Jesus would not have been human.
     
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    Exactly, Brother Ian.

    Now, let me repeat the question again for those who misunderstood.

    I didn't ask if there were descendants of Jesus. There are not.

    Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters because He shared the same mother. (Mary's egg for Him, Mary's eggs for the other children she bore.) Those half-sisters and half-brothers would have probably gotten married and had children. And on and on.

    It was a rhetorical question, having nothing to do with Jesus being the Son of God or Jesus having descendants.
     
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    Scott J,

    The woman does not have the seed, the man has the seed.

    The ground cannot produce fruit unless a seed is planted first.

    And yes, the fact that Jesus had a flesh, blood and bone body proves that He was the product not only of the seed of God, but the egg of the woman.
     
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    I am not aware of any evidence, scriptural or otherwise, that PROVES God needed an egg cell in order to give Jesus flesh and bone. In fact, the scriptures I've studied tend to make me believe just the opposite. If you have evidence of which I am not aware that PROVES God used Mary's egg in Jesus's conception would you please share it with the rest of us?
    Thanks.
     
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    Oh, Scott, you stole my line! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I was just getting ready to say that. So I'll say it anyway. Yes, Genesis, chapter 3 refers to Jesus as the "seed of the woman". That implies humanity, fully and wholely.

    Jesus has been God and will be God for all of eternity. But for 33 years, Jesus was fully human and fully God at the same time. He is not fully human anymore.

    And yes, there are more than likely many people and not just Jewish people (probably of every race) who are physically related to Jesus simply because they are physical descendents of his brothers and sisters.

    But after this much time has passed, the relation is really negligible and moot.

    Nobody has any bragging rights. No one knows. No one can say, "Jesus is my uncle 37 times removed!"

    It's possible to be, but not to know.

    Peace-
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