Do people which commit suicide automatically go to hell?

If they were saved, they would have heard the Shepherd's voice and followed Him instead of listening to the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning. Or do you deny that Jesus said His sheep will not follow another?

 

Look, both arguments have merit. I have been taught all my life that those who kill themselves go to Hell. I have began to

question that when it comes to the mind. I have a bad heart, it does not provide the proper blood to all the other organs of

my body, including the brain. Sometimes, I have to just stand for some time to remember what I am supposed to do. There

are things really important in my life that my companion tells me about that happened a year ago or more and I cannot

remember it at all.

What I am trying to say is the brain is an organ the same as my heart deteriated, so can the brain deteriate to a point that a

person mind is crazy, things are moving about him that he don't know what it is. He is trying so hard to figure out where he is,

but can't. If he got his hands on a gun, he might shoot himself and never know what he really did. Will God hold him

responsible, I don't think so, but that is just me.

What SFIC is quoting and saying is true also, as long as we are of sound mind. We don't say it is sin, until we reach an age to

know better. Well, if we go past an age to know better, then what is the difference.

 

OK, let's throw something else into this, Standing. There is a difference between murder and killing. Murder is considered to be a 'subset' of killing, in that it is with malice and forethought against someone who is not legally deserving of death.

So is suicide murder or killing? Does a person kill himself with malice? Does he consider himself deserving of death, morally or legally?

If the person is in chronic severe pain, so that his thinking is disoriented (I've been there done that, OK?), and if, knowing there is no relief in sight (haven't been there yet...), he decides to end his own life, perhaps to save the people around him from having to deal with his personality changes or whatever, is he commiting murder or simply killing himself?

Let me pose another scenario out of many I could think of. I have something called paradoxic drug reactions. My father had it and my son has it, so I'm assuming it is hereditary. Pain killing drugs, muscle relaxers and such can do strange things inside me, hyping me up for a 24 hour stint, making me moody, whatever. One of the worst reactions I seem to have is to local anasthetics. It took a dentist about ten years ago to realize what was happening, because within about 48 hours of getting the locals needed for fillings and such, I would be in a sobbing heap on my bed. It seems that the chemical breaking down of the shots is something that overloads something in my brain or chemistry or something. The last time this happened was after quite a few locals to deal with some severe problems all in one day. Two days later my oldest son sat on my bed keeping an eye on me because I was so messed up I was talking about life not being worth living! He was honestly afraid I might try to take my own life. I don't know what would have happened if he was not there. I might have simply fallen asleep or I might have done something really stupid.

Suppose I had tried to commit suicide. Would that have been murdering myself, or would it have been manslaughter?

Within a few hours the chemicals had finished breaking down and my body had dealt with them and I was fine and my happy, normal self again.

I think what I am trying to say is that you need to be very, very careful with your judgments, Standing. It is God who judges the heart, and that is where it should be left.

 

when I think about Jesus rubbing the grain on Sabbath and he told the Pharisees that in that case it was allright to do that because of the motive involved in doing it.... and He mentioned David eating the shewbread that was unlawful to eat...

here, look at this:

Prov:6:30: Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry

sometimes I think God looks at motivation... in fact He always considers that.


I agree with Helen

 

Helen and Bob,

What do we do with the verse where Jesus said His sheep will hear his voice and follow Him and not another?

Aren't they following another if they listen to the lies of the devil and commit suicide?

 

Every single Christian who follows Jesus Christ and is going to be saved is not doing every single thing the same so somebody must be wrong... but they will all be saved.

Somebody must not always be following the voice of Christ.

Every moment that you dont have love in your heart for every person who Jesus died for, you yourself are not following the voice of Christ.

 

Elijah, didnt he become depressed and pray to the Lord to take his life and let him die?

 

The devil cannot be everywhere at once. He is not God. A person's temptations and delusions often come from his own heart and mind. If the mind is chemically off balance for one reason or another, and at war with a heart that loves God, and something is done which would not be done in normal circumstances....

I am very glad God is the judge and not you, Standing...

 

Death can be a miracle of God. There comes a time in our lives that our bodies just can't stay here anymore. They are finished and God just "lets us die". I understand you SFIC and admit I do not have all the answers but I am sure glad it is not my decision. I know this much, we just don't see those kind today. There were there when the Lord walked the earth also.

We make a way for children to kill and still be saved so I don't know why we could not make a way for someone who has become a child again.

 

Mr. "xdisciplex", I hope that you have carefully read the posts by Eric B. He is a man after my own heart. Thank you, Eric. You have handled this matter quite well.

 

And I am so glad God has given me the wisdom to understand that if I committed suicide I would be going straight to hell for no murderer will enter heaven. I am glad He gives me the wisdom to hear His voice and follow Him instead of listening to satan and killing myself as my first wife tried to do several years ago.

I am so glad when He saved me, He gave me the wisdom to know that suicide is not of God and that if I did commit suicide, that it would be the ultimate proof that I had rejected His Son all along; that it was only a form of Godliness that I had but denied His Son. I am glad when satan tries to lie to me and tell me suicide is not bad, you will still go to heaven, that the Spirit reminds me of the Word, He guides me into the truth that satan is a deceiver and a liar from the beginning.

 

At the same time, it would be an awful thing to give people the idea that suicide is allright... and cause them to be lost.

My ex- Father in Law committed suicide and he left a note saying that he thought he would go straight to heaven...

I mean, there are probably some cases where God would forgive but for the most part suicide is an evil thing to do.... your life is a gift to you from God and you are to use it wisely.


Claudia

 

and there again, Claudia, you have also touched on another area. Being a faithful steward. Can one who commits suicide be said to be faithful?

 

On such a subject, I only wish, with all my theological training, and years of service, I could be so absolute in such condemnation of a troubled soul in the act of suicide.

I find it so great stretch of the mind to reach such a conclusion, I have to wonder just what education the proponents have undergone, and whether they are even qualified to understand what scripture is saying.

Cheers, and God bless those who suffer the most in a suicide; the survivors.

Jim

 

Jim,

What's not to understand? How does one deny 'Whosoever committeth murder has no eternal life abiding in him?' How does one deny 'All murderers will have their part in the lake of fire'?

 

No, a person is cutting off maybe many years of his or her life... years that were supposed to be spent spreading the Gospel to others.

1Cor:6:19: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

 

And a hearty Amen! '

the next verse tells us to glorify God in our bodies and in our spirits, which are God's.

 

For one, it is a stretch of the definition of the word "murder", and even a greater stretch the the verses quoted.

Cheers,

Jim

 

well Jim why is it? Whats the difference if you think you have a good reason to kill someone else or to kill yourself? If you go off in a murderous rage you are not thinking straight either.


I started off viewing things the other way but now Im thinking how awful it would be to even encourage anyone to think they will be saved if they kill themselves.