Do Sabbath-keepers celebrate Easter?

Then we've got a problem: When it's Saturday here, it's not Saturday in the Holy Land. The seven day week has not been continually observed. There's a 1 in 7 chance that the first day of the week we call "Sunday" is the same as the first day of the week in Genesis. When Paul wrote Colossians 2, he was writing to Gentiles, who did not observe the same 7 day week as the Jews.

This says nothing about keeping of days of commemoration. Collossians 2, however, clearly does, and it does not place a ban upon them.

I refer to what I said earlier about regarding what day is the seventh day.

I prefer to take the WHOLE thing, in the CONTEXT intended. CONTEXT supports what I said earlier: There's no biblical requirement to commemorate days like Christmas, Easter, etc. Likewise, there's no biblical ban on keeping of such days as well. There is, however, a biblical command to rest one day in seven, but how, where, and when one does that is determined by the individual.

In other words, the Bible allows you to practice the sabbath and holidays as you currently do, and it allows me to practice te sabbath and holidays as I curently do.

 

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless

 

I understand you perfectly, I just don't care.

I'm not trying to convince you to believe what I believe. If you REALLY want to know where he got his 'facts' then go to the site and read the home page, and email him and ask him.

I'm sure he'll be more than happy to tell you.

www.babylonforsaken.com

-Kelly

 

Jews have been keeping the Sabbath since the Manna started falling, and they keep ECCELLENT records! We know which day is which. Paul kept the same Sabbath we do. No matter where you are in the world, the sun sets on you, and that is when the Sabbath begins. God knows the world spins. He knows when the Seventh Day is. He showed them which was the Seventh day when the Manna did not fall. The Roman callendar is not accurate to the dates that the Hebrews keep, but it is to the day. When I woke up this morning it was Tuesday here, just like it was in the 'Holy Land'.

I don't know what you mean by days of commemoration, but the verse I posted was in regards to keeping holy days that are pagan. You said that there wasn't anything forbidding us from keeping those days, and with regards to their origins, I disagree.
Deut 12: 29. When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
30. Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
32. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

And verse 32 even reminds them to keep the things they were commanded to do, as well as not taking up the things the pagans do!

Very relevant!

Collossians 2 has to do with Biblical holidays, not pagan one's, which is what we are discussing. Col 2:20 even mentions going after the rudiments of the world and doctrines of men.

Which is a really poor argument, to say the least. We have substantial evidence even as far as from NASA telling us that we have the right cycle. It really is the 2nd day of the week today!

I'm sorry but that just isn't biblically sound. The Bible commands us to keep a specific day, not choose our own, and it commands us not to use pagan traditions to worship God or commemorate events or what ever you want to call it!

But you don't keep the Sabbath. The Bible COMMANDS me to keep the Sabbath. So I keep it. It commands you too, but you ignore it. You rationalize it away to a point where it is comfortable to you.

But according to how you see it, it's nothing wrong, because you can pick and choose which days you keep and which days you don't and it won't matter.

What was the point of Him specifying a day if it was going to end up being up to us?

-Kelly

 

I do keep the Sabbath. I keep it on Sundays. On Sunday, I worship publicly and I rest. The other six days, I worship privately, and labor.

That's pretty much what Paul was saying, yes. Paul was saying we should not allow other people to judge us by such things.

This is where the old covenant/new covenant significance comes in. Jesus said very clearly "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath". The Sabbath is there for me to use, not for it to use me. The context of keeping the Sabbath is one day of rest in seven. The emphasis is on rest (since every day in the NT church, we are to worship).

 

I tried to just answer your question, but as this board usually goes, one sentence you write sparks a whole other debate.

Was there anything else you wanted to know from the Sabbath keepers about Easter, that didn't get answered?

God Bless,
Kelly

 

I really can't argue with that. Sunday isn't the Sabbath, but that's between you and God. At least you aren't a crack head baby killer

I see where you are coming from on that, but how do you feel about the implications that Sunday is a 'replacement' for the true Sabbath, done so by Rome, to join the Christian church with pagans? I could see you 'picking' any day, and making sense of it even, but why Sunday?

Do you feel like you are being used by keeping your sabbath on Sunday? If not, then why not do it on the day that God made for rest?

I completely agree with that. I've tried to steer clear of the 'worship' day subject because it isn't mentioned in the Commandment. The subject is rest. When you replace the Sabbath with Sunday, you are working on the day that God said not to, and resting on one of the days He said to work on! Do you see what I mean?

God Bless,
Kelly

 

Celebrated on Sunday - the first day of the week - the day Christ rose from the dead.

All Christians and Jews and Sabbath keeping Christians agree on the 7 day sequence.

The only "question" is whether or not to ignore Christ the Creator's 7th-day holy day made in Gen 2:3 "For mankind" Mark 2:27 before sin - and continued even into the New Earth where "From Sabbath to Sabbath will ALL Mankind come before Me to Worship" Isaiah 66.

Christ said to his pre-cross Jewish followers "IF you Love Me keep My Commandments"
John 14:15 quoting the 3rd commandment in doing so.

It is not breaking Christ the Creator's 7th day - memorial of His creative act - to also choose to honor an annual -week-day-1 celebration of His resurrection.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Well, you got me pegged on the crack head baby killer thing . Sunday isn't the Sabbath of Jewish tradition, no. While I don't keep the Jewish Sabbath (Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown), I don't think there's anything biblically wrong at all with a person deciding to keep the Jewish Sabbath.

I disagree that Sunday was a biblical replacement for the Jewish Sabbath. It was not. I don't think there was anything wrong with Rome making Sunday the official day of worship for Roman Church followers, but I find nothing to biblically support the idea that Sunday replaced the Jewish Sabbath for all people.

I choose Sunday as my day of rest because I'm often called to do work on Saturday, be it job overtime, or labors of the home. Since Sunday is traditionally the day when my church gathers for fellowship, resting on Sunday is very natural and normal for me and my family. I discourage my children from doing homework on Sunday, chores, etc. I encourage them to get it done on Friday and Saturday, so that Sunday may be dedicated to church and family, free from labor. A truly restful day (although, I'll add that resting from labor sometimes includes a trip to the batting cates, bowling alley, or other activity that focuses on family and takes the mind of labor).

No, not at all. It's very natural and normal for me and my family. Personally, I think that those who don't find it useful, of feel they're used, are probably not truly resting.

Except that I almost never work on Sunday. I can count the number of times I've worked on Sunday in the last 10 years on one finger. I was made for the Sabbath, this would be difficult. Since Jesus says the Sabbath was made for me, this is easy.

As far as the worship topic, I've found that worship is easy. Rest is hard. Kinda like how going to Weight Watchers is easy. Adhering to Weight Watchers isn't .

 

johnv,
that was a very honest post. that is how you share the word of GOD with your understanding of what you have read

thanks

 

Thank you. I appreciate that very much.

 

3AM -
Do you think Pagans ever worshiped in the temples of gods and goddesses on Saturday? I'll bet they did, and that makes evey SDA service pagan in origin.

Your quoted site said:

Ok. Lets get scholarly just a tad here. According the usual schtick, they also say Roman Catholisicsm started when Contantine made Chrisianity legal. That was in 314 AD. Fourth century. That also made Rome the center of the Church right? Even though Constantine moved the capital to Constantinople...makes real good sense to me.

How did 'Roman Missionaries' go around in the THIRD century doing these things, if they were not created until the FOURTH century? Christianity was NOT POPULAR in the THIRD century, so how does that work with the above quote?

That is called lack of internal consitency. The very first thing anyone looks for in a good work on history. This is also how scholars find spurious patristic texts. (fakes)

Also, the statement that they would transform every pagan custom SIMPLY BY CHANGING THE NAME. So...are you saying that the Eucharist celebrated at Easter, was celebrated in essence by pagans before we came along? All we did was slap a new name on it, and it was all the same, just a new name only, and somehow that matched the same Liturgies that the Christians had been using already in other parts of the world? Amazing. Amazing how incredibly gullible you can be.

So then, this logic is hard to lay aside...without laughing. But if we went into all the countrysides, taking all of these pagan ceremonies, then would the RCC by let say, 450 AD have had HUNDREDS of different types of ceremonies, all tracable to an exact and identical pagan ceremony, save the name? Do you really believe this stuff?

And this scholarly junk you referenced, does not even spell 'christian' with a capitol C. Even the basic English clearly demonstrates to you the level of scholarship you are getting. You don't set your standards too high as long as they are bashing your favorite target huh?

Look,let me help you here, I can't take it. You look ridiculous. Let me give you one reference for your contention ok? The Two Babylons. I think it is by Hysopp. Tell everybody you now have at least ONE reference to back this Easter accusation up.

 

In Gen 2:3 the Creator makes the day a holy day right at the start of mankind - when mankind is made.

Christ the Creator says in Mark 2:27 that the day was "made for mankind".

IF the pagans came BEFORE mankind - and were keeping a 7-day cycle with the very same 7th-day being one of their own pagan holy days - "then" you "might" have the start of a case for "God borrowed this from pagans" in Gen 2:3.

But since in fact - God is FIRST, and Gen 2:3 is BEFORE any pagan - THEN the only possibility is to have a pagan come AFTER Christ the Creator makes the day holy and gives it to mankind as a memorial of HIS creative act. They are then corrupting the pure-and-holy thing that Christ the Creator made. No possibility of arguing the case of God the Son in Gen 2:3 "borrowing from pagans" because pagans were not there "first".

In Christ,

Bob

 

No possibility of arguing the case of God the Son in Gen 2:3 "borrowing from pagans" because pagans were not there "first".
</font>[/QUOTE]Pagans were not here before God. But, they were here before SDAs.

 

Is it any wonder Christ the Creator said "The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27?

Is it any wonder this fact "displeases" some people today - including those who are hard pressed to "find Something to say"?

In Christ,

Bob

 

While it's true that some people around here don't bother with facts, most don't seem to be bothered by facts. The pagans might be upset (or at least all a-giggle) by your implicit assertion that SDAs were around before them, but that's because they're aware of the facts.

 

Is it any wonder Christ the Creator said "The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27?

What is really amazing is that anyone could attribute these clear statements in the Word of God to "SDAs" as if SDAs created the World, or SDAs told God the Son to act in creating His own 7th-day memorial of His creative act in Gen 2:3.

But - "apparently some" (who ignore the details) think that way.

But for the vast majority - it is clear that these texts don't point to "SDAs" - they point to God - it is God acting and God creating mankind. (The great hope of "paganism came first" is not found in those verses).

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob said, in defence if 3AM:

Then awesome! We celebrate Easter, the resurection celebration on SUNDAY, the day God chose before the PAGANS made it ISHTAR. They copied God!!!

I'm glad that is settled.

Thanks Bob.

 

Charles said

First you have to "make the case" for it as I have done with Christ the Creator's Seventh-day Holy day - in Gen 2:3.

If you find that in Gen 2 - we "also have" God making "week-day-1" a holy day - long before any pagans are on the planet - then you are right.

But if not..

You will need to show that pagans did not think of using "SUNday" until after the Christian traditions began to adopt it.

I look forward to reading about it.

In Christ,

Bob