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Do we all really believe in a 'limited atonement?'

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Skandelon, Feb 4, 2012.

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  1. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    Didn't see "deserve" anywhere in his reply.
     
  2. quantumfaith

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    Jbh,

    I am reminded of the following:

    13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

    14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

    What I notice is that this was not the man that claimed adherence to DoG or Arminianism, but rather recognized his own very real need for God's mercy and consequently "humbled" himself before his creator.

    Justified!!
     
  3. Earth Wind and Fire

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    So are you saying that Grace played no part in this mans salvation?
     
  4. quantumfaith

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    EWF, did I say that? I am pretty sure you have seen me mention before that I believe in prevenient grace. Furthermore, what does this scripture say?
     
  5. Forest

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    Paul says that the gospel has been preached to every creature which is under heaven, Col 1:23. Paul Did not want to preach to those who did not have faith, 2 Thes 3:1-2. The inspired scriptures are written to God's elect instructing them as how to live their lives while they sojourn here in this world. There are scriptures that tell us how we were eternally saved by Christ on the cross, but there are no scriptures telling us how to get eternally saved.
     
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    Salvation means "a deliverance". When we are delivered from this present evil world, that would be eternal salvation. When we give up on our righteous works saving us eternally and come to an understanding of the truth we receive a deliverance (salvation) from believing a false doctrine, that is a timely salvation, such as in Rom 10.
     
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    Atonment is only for those that God gave to his Son, John 6:37-41. The natural man , void of the Spirit, will not, and indeed, cannot respond to God's call because without the indwelling Spirit the natural man cannot descern spiritual things, 1 Cor 2:14.
     
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    Oh, I forgot......Out of curiosity, do they teach this "Prevenient Grace" in your SBC Church & could you show me clear Biblical support for it?
     
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    The highlighted is false teaching 100%.
     
  10. quantumfaith

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    Here is the most compelling to me, others I am sure.

    New International Version (©1984)
    For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people.

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    International Standard Version (©2008)
    For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    For the all saving grace of God has been revealed to all men;

    GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    After all, God's saving kindness has appeared for the benefit of all people.

    King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
    For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,

    American King James Version
    For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,

    American Standard Version
    For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    For the grace of God our Savior hath appeared to all men;

    Darby Bible Translation
    For the grace of God which carries with it salvation for all men has appeared,

    English Revised Version
    For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

    Webster's Bible Translation
    For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    Weymouth New Testament
    For the grace of God has displayed itself with healing power to all mankind,

    World English Bible
    For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

    Young's Literal Translation
    For the saving grace of God was manifested to all men


    If you would really be interested in what my church teaches about grace, here is a link to a wonderful short, but powerful book.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005M47ZOS/?tag=baptis04-20
     
  11. Forest

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    I just opened my thread "WHAT ACTUALLY DID CHRIST ACCOMPLISH ON THE CROSS' and noticed that the thread is closed. Am I mistaken or is this true, and if so, WHY?
     
  12. Forest

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    Can you give me an explianation as to why you sre closing my threats?
     
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    I only know of one of your threads that was closed and it reached 20 pages. Admins tell us to close them when they get to 10 pages but I've been fighting to keep the open longer, but I can't stretch them too far...

    You are always welcome to start a new thread once one is closed. :)
     
  14. Forest

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    Then give me the scriptures.
     
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    Your thread has 16 pages, are you fighting to keep it open?
     
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    He's got 4 more to go...your point?
     
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    Even though your thread was closed, you can start another on the same subject and just continue it. It's done all the time.
     
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    Forest, he's the closer..... :)
     
  19. Skandelon

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    Geesh!!!!!!!!! Now we are even. :laugh:
     
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