Do we care more about winning the Duck Dynasty cultural battle...

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  1. Zaac

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    ...than we do about leading folks to Christ?

    There are some key theological issues in which the Robertsons probably disagree with the evangelicals who watch the show. For example, they attend a church that believes in baptismal regeneration, the belief that baptism is essential to receive eternal life. Yet I've heard very few Christians discuss that issue, which is directly related to the gospel.

    On the other hand, we are very concerned about the issue of homosexuality, an important issue that is more about morality than about eternal life. My point is this: I think we are often more concerned with winning a cultural battle and looking good than we are about sharing the gospel in a winsome and accurate way.

    Once again we flock to an ISSUE and the church once again looks like it cares more about an issue than it does about this man and his family preaching a true Gospel.
     
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    I have every confidence that Christian people are passionate about sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It's not about advancing an agenda or winning in the court of public opinion. On our own we can only change minds (that can be easily turned back). We understand that true change comes at the foot of the Cross.

    There will be a time when a pastor proclaims God sent His Son to die and he will be arrested and charged with advocating child abuse. 50 years ago folk would have thought you crazy if you said something like. "In 50 year states will allow gays to go to the court house and get a license to marry."
     
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    We live in a time that church people come awake when there is an agenda to rally around but act like their bored otherwise.
     
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    I don't understand why this CAN'T be about the rights of Christians to speak about against sin without being penalized unjustly. You've got wedding photographers, wedding cake bakers, and bed/breakfast owners who are being FORCED to provide services for homosexual people against their religious beliefs. I don't care if the Robertsons have any more TV episodes or sell another duck call.

    The whole picture isn't about the Robertsons, A&E, or duck calls.

    Why can't we have discussions about this AND have a burden for lost people? Why are the two - as you've made it to be - mutually exclusive.

    We aren't going to be able TO bring the gospel to the lost without unjust penalty in the future if Christians are forced NOW into a "silent compliance".

    Here is what this is all really about. Most people I know get it. The proverbial line has been drawn in the proverbial sand. As the author of this article states, "one cannot choose liberty AND political correctness anymore - one must choose."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...ible-religion-palin-robertson-column/4124181/
     
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    Some yes. But watch tomorrow while you're in church how they applaud at any defense of Duck Dynasty and how they respond at the mention of the name of JEsus.

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    It does indeed seem to be about winning in the court of evangelical opinion. Which seems to be why we're okay when he speaks against the pet sins. But you rarely hear nary a word from the Duck Dynasty fans in the evangelical church about these folks preaching baptismal regeneration.

    I just think that once again we've allowed an ISSUE to supersede us preaching the loving Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    And once again, the world will see us as being against something instead of knowing we're for Jesus Christ.
     
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    EXACTLY. Any time there is an ISSUE, we suddenly become all Godly and put forth an ugly display in order to make our point about an issue.

    But we never seem to so ardently display a love for people in the same manner.

    What's wrong with us?
     
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    It COULD be if Christians came out just as passionately about them and their church preaching baptismal regeneration as we keep doing anytime anyone is against homosexuality.

    The way we respond consistently shows that there is constantly a group of things we think are super bad, but others that we give the impression that we'll just tolerate unless the issue is pushed.

    I'm not saying they are mutually exclusive. I'm saying that you never seem to see us making national headlines about just loving folks and lovingly correcting them. It's always we're right and they're wrong and that's all there is to it. SO we suddenly all come alive in defense of an issue but never seem to do so just as an issue of loving people.

    This has nothing to do with Christians. God hasn't called us into defense of a man and a show that the secular world put on air to entertain.

    They aren't preaching the Gospel on the show. They are simply putting forth another display of cultural Christianity that the evangelical church has bought into because we want to have "our people" out front as celebrities with the culture too.

    we did the same thing in ignorance by promoting a man who is 100% against Jesus Christ as a PResidential nominee.

    we quickly lay to the side Biblical principle when it comes to getting what we think is more important.

    Last year it was an election.
    Now it's winning a cultural battle over whether or not homosexuality is wrong.

    We KEEP letting the world pull us off message and devotion to Jesus Christ as our actions keep deeming ISSUES to be more important than just preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ in love.

    Preach the Gospel and the wrong of homosexuality is covered and there is no need to once again show that we're against an issue as opposed to showing we're for JESUS.

    The only thing that's been drawn in the sand is us once again showing we care more about an issue and being right than we do about people.

    If this was truly about God's RIGHT, the evangelical church would be united in not giving these false teachers a larger platform.

    But false teaching isn't as big a pet issue with us as is homosexuality.
     
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    Baptism is "directly related" to the Gospel of the Circumcision, the Gospel of the Kingdom.
    But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me [Paul],
    as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
    Gal 2:7

    Following the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, the "Gospel of the Circumcision" [ie: Kingdom] was "set aside" - no longer "in effect"
    Since John's Gospel was written about 100 AD, it contains the only remaining Gospel - the Gospel of Grace (believe and receive).
     
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    Because we have once again lost our focus, the church again looks like unloving hypocrites.

    We laud the correct stance of Phil Robertson against homosexuality. But we remain quiet about his and the church he attends stance on baptismal regeneration.

    And it thus makes it look like we aren't really concerned about the truth being preached all the time. Just as long as it's trumpeted on our pet issues.
     
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    I don't give a darn what church they attend. They could be Mormons for all I care. Heck, most likely Phil's opinions on gay marriage don't entirely reflect mine. To me it's about freedom of speech. And yes, so far as freedoms and liberties are concerned I care about that very much.

    That said, I've said very little about it other than like a couple of posts on facebook and given my opinion on a couple the threads on here. To me it's not as big of a deal as some are making about it--after all, A&E had to right as the contract holder to make a decision like that, no matter how much I might disagree with it.
     
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    And that is perhaps the best response. But in reading Facebook and stories on the internet, this has sadly been made into another we're just against homosexuality story
     
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    You said, I said! I'll play the game, will you???

    :wavey: Zaac - "Do we care more about winning the Duck Dynasty cultural battle ... than we do about leading folks to Christ?"

    I say, it is ALL about the right of believers to voice their opinion on issues of morality. Something that is fading faster than the color red on a piece of paper left out in the sun!

    Zaac - "There are some key theological issues in which the Robertsons probably disagree with the evangelicals who watch the show. For example, they attend a church that believes in baptismal regeneration ..."

    I say, this is merely doctrine. And doctrine will not get you through the narrow gate at the end of the narrow path!

    Zaac - "... the belief that baptism is essential to receive eternal life."

    I say, When my girlfriend's pastor [an SBC preacher] heard I accepted Jesus the day before, he demanded that I be baptised that evening to make my seal my salvation." How is this too much different than what you are accusing the DD family and their church of believing???

    Zaac - "Yet I've heard very few Christians discuss that issue, which is directly related to the gospel."

    I say, You haven't been around long enough to say that this has not, in fact, been discussed. This is one more excuse you find to accuse the brothers and sisters of this forum of their heresy and lack of being on the same level as you claim to be!

    Zaac - "On the other hand, we are very concerned about the issue of homosexuality, an important issue that is more about morality than about eternal life. My point is this: I think we are often more concerned with winning a cultural battle and looking good than we are about sharing the gospel in a winsome and accurate way."

    I say - I have provided you with an excellent message from an SBC preacher here in Southern California, and you have yet to comment upon its contents. When I shared this with you publicly on a thread and privately, I told you that this was how I believed, and I apologized for not being able to put it into words as well as Pastor Dane.

    For the last time, give this 30-minute message a listen, and then tell me how you can say that Baptists are intolerant and judgmental?


    SEE:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-nuH4VAWFY&list=TL2pa11ur_YtvbZpm_mEj-_obfZOgcKKlq

    Oh, Zaac, I'd love to hear your response to this message, and I'd love to hear your criticism of this Baptists stand on homosexuality! Please don't make me have to ask you another time! Your public is waiting to hear just what you think of a strong, Biblically sound view on homosexuality! So? Will you dare to listen to the entirety of Pastor Dane's message and give us an honest opinion as to how this is not in lone with what the Scripture teaches? :1_grouphug:

    Zaac - "Once again we flock to an ISSUE and the church once again looks like it cares more about an issue than it does about this man and his family preaching a true Gospel."

    I say, you look for EVERY possible excuse to ACCUSE the brethren of this board of being less tolerable than you! It is really about time that you stand in front of a mirror and stop seeing the narcicisstic image you've been seeing for as long as you can remember, and begin to look around and see that other Baptists are not as bad as you like to make them out to be.

    I fact, I've prayed a lot about your critical attempt to EXPOSE members on the board for failing to live up to what you seem to think you are holding to as a standard, and I have to ask you one thing brother....ARE YOU REALLY A BAPTIST, OR SIMPLY A TROLL IN BABTIST CLOTHING???
     
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    Rumor has it that Glen Beck has offered the Robertsons airtime on his network The Blaze

    Not sure how much mixing and mingling the Mormans will have in that timespace

    I suppose its just as well that Oprah allows Franklin & Billy Graham air time---can't see that happening anytime soon!!!

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    His employer with whom he has signed a contract with saying he wouldn't do certain things shut him down because it 'll affect their money.

    This ain't got nothing to do with believers voicing their opinions on morality.

    If he's in church, A&E probably wouldn't have said a thing. Believers are STILL voicing God's word on issues of morality and have not been affected by Phil being taken off a show intendede to entertain.

    Pure foolishness to say that telling someone that getting baptized saves them is JUST doctrine.

    If you don't understand it, then it behooves me to try and explain it to you.

    I been around enough to say it hasn't been discussed whether you think so or not. My Brothers and Sisters just want another excuse for their support of the false teachers and remaining quiet on that front while jumping up and down and proclaiming their support for his stance against homosexuality.

    And again, just like with Mitt Romney, the church once again shows itself willing to look the other way when it comes to certain sins while continuing to lambhast folks about the ir pet sins.



    I don't care whay Pastor Dane says. I'mnot talking to Pastor Dane.

    I haven't said that Baptist are intolerant and judgmental. They better be intolerant and judgmental. They just need to do so righteously instead of, the majority of the time, doing so hypocritically.

    Again, I don't need to listen to what Pastor Dane says about homosexuality. I know what GOD says about homosexuality. Is he saying something GOD hasn't said?

    That's part of the issue is that yall act like folks don't know what God says on this issue. Deal with it INSIDE the church and preach the Gospel of love to those in error outside the church so that they are pointed to Christ as opposed to being condemned by the church.

    The church is full of folks who are greedy, fornicating, adultering and a lot of the other things that Phil mentioned. Once you've disciplined them, you can speak to the folks outside the church.



    I don't have to look for that which the brethren in their constant point the finger at everybody but themselves make clear. We're very tolerable of our own sin but fed up about everybody else's.


    And it's about time that the Baptist on this board stop acting like nothing stinks except their pet sins.

    The question to be asked by many reading this board is whether or not any of us are Christians cause you rarely if ever see anything of the love of Christ being expressed on here. Just a bunch of folks who want to point the finger at everybody who isn't a conservative , Republican Baptist.

    So as God's word says, Examine yourself to see if you're in the faith. Cause yall say a lot of stuff and pat each other on the back. But little if any of it exudes the love of Christ.

    So check YOURSELF and save your prayers because I don't need insincere prayers being sent up on my behalf so that you can frame yourself as a good little Christian.:wavey:
     
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    It can be tagged as False Teaching 101. Now just throw in Benny Hinn and Joel OSteen and they can have a party.
     
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    The recent craze of "Duck Dynasty" is just another secular gimmick. The general population who get all worked up about Walmart T shirts with four men on them who look like they have not had a bath for over a year is the same mindset of the crowds that followed Jesus in mass, to see the next magic act, get a free meal, or watch an instant weather change. Nothing here about the Word of God or love for our fellow man.

    This is nothing but a money making machine with Jesus in the background to put on a stamp of approval. Why is it that every time a positive element comes out for the Lord, it is some idiotic scheme that is not Scripture or worship or giving to others. No, lets take some money we could have given to the work of the God and go buy a cha cha cha chia beard on four men who already have millions. Makes sense to me.

    TV shows, ugly beards, ignorant language, useless merchandise, a sure route to eternal life, don't you think?
     
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    Church ran about an hour and a half today. We sang a lot, shared prayer concerns, read from the Word, prayed for a while, studied the Word and then spent another 30 minutes eating cookies and bending each other's ear. That's two hours - more or less - and not one mention of Duck Dynasty. Nada, zilch, zip.

    We're just a small circle of folk and I know this is not necessarily representative of what's going on in the rest of the world. In respect to the OP I didn't see anything today but folks who were focused on the Lord, concerned about the lost and hurting and enjoy each other's company.

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    Today at my church we had a little Christmas/nativity play for the AM service and a Christmas message for the PM service.
    Our focus was on the meaning of Christmas.

    There have been times I've wanted to stand up and applaud the person preaching for pointing out the flaws in something that tends to be a "conservative Christian" cliche. (Which has only come up a couple of times in the probably 8 months since I've been attending the there.) Because it's like, yes, my opinions aren't as against the grain as I thought! (And yes, the church leadership and probably most if not all of the membership are conservative Christians.) But most of the time the focus is not on politics. IMO politics doesn't have much of a place in church sermons and should only get a passing mention at best. So long as it's not the focus.
     
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    Amen. Not a peep about it at my church either. We are emphasizing Lottie Moon right now and world missions. The videos we have been watching showing testimony of missionaries around the world and how Christ's Name is being preaching around the globe have been very moving and are burdening my church even more so for the revival that we are actively seeking.
     
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    The manger, the Cross, the redeemed and the lost. Nary a duck to be found. Maybe there is hope for the church after all. :jesus:
     
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