Do we have a perfect Bible?

"brian: "not diminish the force of God's promises" is NOT the same as KJV-only "perfect preservation" of words."

tim: God promised that his words would not fade, not pass away, not one jot nor one tittle. Yes?

I don't think any KJVO claim the exact English words of the 1611 translation predate 1611 (from a human perspective).

"Brian: Nothing in any other language prior to 1611 is a perfect match to the KJV.

tim: Perfect enough for God, certainly.

Brian: I agree, perfect enough for God! Yet *different* in words - which is *against* KJV-onlyism. No other language uses the same English idioms as the KJV, no other language uses old British cliches, currency, etc."

tim: Again, I don't think any KJVO claim the exact English words and letters in the KJV somehow predate themselves.

"tim: It sure was, but I think you have a too limited view of what God can accomplish in His providence.
Brian: Too limited???? YOU guys are the ones limiting God's accomplishment to a single, 17th century translation. I believe his accomplishment is MUCH bigger than that."

tim: Multiple contradictory versions, most based on a reconstructed text that didn't exist until the late 19th century is your idea of perfect preservation?

Wouldn't it be more marvelous if God not only appeared as Jesus, but as Buddha and Mohammed? Is our view of God's incarnation too limited?


"tim: God can providentially accomplish his perfect aims even through the evil actions of men

Brian: I agree. But "can" and "did" are two different things.

tim: God promising it is enough.

Brian: Where did God promise to providencially accomplish his perfect aims at a perfectly preserved translaction of scripture through the actions of a group of 17th century high-church Anglican scholars, and no one else? Come on Tim, God did NOT promise any such thing."

tim: His perfectly preserved word is here. Is it everything availble in the local Christian bookstore? That view upholds preservation, but not the kind of complete, unfading, jot and tittle preservation promised by scripture.

The KJV is unique. If there's a God, He has put some kind of stamp of approval on it (and its underlying texts) just by allowing it to be so unique, widespread and influential among God's people. Given the above, is there any other real contender?

 

Of course not. They can't, it would be too foolish. Yet they harp on an on about *word* preservation and *word* changes from the KJV being corruptions and thus resulting in imperfect Bibles. You can't have it both ways.

No, it is not. But multiple versions, despite differences, across all of church history, is.

Apples and oranges. Give me a break.

NO. You *interpret* his promises that way. NOTHING IN SCRIPTURE says that God promises to perfectly preserve his word in only the KJV. This is not rocket science, this is a VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT.

Exactly my point. It *is* unique. There is nothing else like it. Therefore, if ONLY the KJV is God's word, nothing else is, including everything for the first 80% of church history.

"Stamp of approval" does not equal nor imply either "perfection" or "exclusivity".

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Skandelon,

You quoted:

Nothing about translations, versions, languages, or even the scripture itself is mentioned in these texts, yet somehow you come out with the translation that God only wants English speaking people to read the KJV.

pertaining to these verses of scripture:

John 16:13,Proverbs 22:17-21,and 1st Corinthians 2:9-13.
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I understand EXACTLY what Anti-Alexandrian is saying and agree 100%. I find it very sad that you do not understand it.

May the Lord richly bless you in his Spirit and Truth.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord,
michelle

 

Timothy1769: "God promised that his words would not fade,
not pass away, not one jot nor one tittle. Yes?"

No, taht is not what God promised.
Jesus God said that all the law would be
fulfilled before one jot or one tittle passes away.
Here is what He said:

Matthew 5:18 (KJV1769):

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.

This prophecy was fulfilled within 3 years of
it's saying when Jesus resurrected Himself.

BTW, how many of those jots and tittles that were
in the scrolls of the law at the time Jesus
walked the earth still in the KJV1769?
That is a retorical question. The KJV1769 is written
in English, it has no Jots and Tittles as does
the Hebrew.

But, Praise God, His Holy Living Word, Messiah Iesus,
is alive and well and reigning in Heaven (soon
to reign on the Earth), His Holy Written Word,
the Holy Bible exists in about 200 English versions of
the Holy Bible and several thousand non-English
versions of the Holy Bible.

Praise Jesus