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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JesusFan, Jul 23, 2011.
And scripture proof please?
Definitely a world wide flood according to the following scriptures:
Genesis 7:19-24 (ESV)
19 And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.
20 The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep.
21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, livestock, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all mankind.
22 Everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died.
23 He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days.
From the "general revelation" we have ample evidence of worldwide sedimentation, upthrusting of mountain ranges that were once ocean or lake floors, and erosion consistent with the running off of worldwide flood waters.
From the "specific revelation," God said that the waters covered the entire globe and that one family alone was saved.
We either make God out to be a liar (and Jesus also, for He referenced the flood) or we accept what God said, even in the opposition of those who think they know better than the sure and true Word of God, which matches the sure and true evidence found on our planet.
Yep, that works for me!
gen. 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered
Christians believe the bible teaching on a worldwide flood.....there are others however......
World Wide, to the known biblical world. As far as the global world is concerned, it was local.
Even in the times of the early explorers they spoke of a flat earth,,,,and the ends of the earth. There are a lot of questions.
That is Double talk. Just say you do not believe in a world wide flood. It is not a crime just wrong. :laugh:
It sounds like you believe in a local flood, not world wide. No scripture was given for your belief, however, so I would be interested for you to provide the scriptures that cause your belief.
Worldwide based on the scripture given above and the proof in nature. Coincidence that if the polar caps would melt completely the globe would be flooded? How did the seashells imbedded in rock on mountains get there? Grand Canyon? Layers of sediment worldwide with fossils spanning each layer?
Gen 41:56,57, speaking of a famine, uses the same language as the flood, and it covered a vast area, the "whole"world of man's early history.
It is established that North America suffered an ice age and resultant floods, which also left the hills and mountains and remnants from the sea.
Various religions or cultures in the biblical region also recorded events of a flood, and floods, similar to the Genesis account.
The bible just doesn't speak of North America, England or such countries that had nothing to do with biblical accounts.
I don't take issue with those who wish to believe in a universal flood; I happen to believe the flood was local and accomplished exactly what God intended.
Jim, if the flood was not world wide then why do you think that God had all those animals on the Ark? In the time to build the ark He could have just had them re-locate to the part of the earth that was going to be dry. Do you think there was no animals except in the flood area? Just curious.
Jim I respect your courage and resolve, irregardless of whether or not we fall on the same side of the coin. There most certainly are "resonable" questions to be asked of this issue, while also maintaining the integrity of scripture and how it records the events surrounding the flood.
Here is an interesting missive provided by "Reasons to Believe"
A Theological Perspective
Given that Genesis 6-9 tells the story of God’s act of judgment against wholesale reprobation and spiritual ruin, scriptural integrity hinges primarily on whether the Flood killed all humanity except for the family of the one man who feared God. In other words, the key theological point is whether or not the Flood was universal in its effect, regardless of its physical extent. The original Hebrew text supports a universal flood impact and allows for a regional locus when viewed in context.
Throughout the Old Testament, God’s judgment against sin is shown to be limited by the impact and extent of human wickedness. Usually it falls upon the sinners themselves, their children for several generations, birds and mammals used in their agricultural pursuits, their material possessions, and in extreme cases, their agricultural lands. If human life had not yet spread beyond Mesopotamia, God would have no reason to destroy those distant regions and the animal life there.
Q, what is your reasonong of Noah taking 2 of every kind on the ark if animal life wasn't destroyed?
I certainly believe it occured, but being a scientist too, I have questions regarding the capability of 2 of every creature we know today.
Does 2 of every kind mean 2 of every creature we know today?
Well, I am not sure. What I am trying to communicate is that I understand and respect the principle of "questioning" things we grapple with concerning God and precisely how He has interacted and intervened in creation from the beginning. As you know, I am of the OE flavor, but I have tremendous respect for my fellow believers who are convinced of the YE position. Discussion of this sort, I find interesting because they make us think, sometimes even with respect to things we don't agree on.
I agree. And all this oil, coal, and natural gas we worry about everyday, where did it come from? The flood was more than a rainstorm, the fountains of the deep were broken up. Parts of the earth submerged below the seas, in other areas the seabed was raised up and became mountain ranges. Vast forests were buried and compressed, this is where oil, coal, and natural gas came from. We can go out west and see the strange plateaus, huge boulders balanced on pinnacles, all evidence of a great flood that washed away the softer soils. I believe the flood was worldwide.
It Is What It Was....
...in other words, however involved the flood was (local or worldwide). God used it to destroy the world as a whole, and that is good enough for me!
The waters went as far as God needed them to go to wash away the sin of that time, and that is what it was! :wavey: There should be no argument, but where ever there is freedom of speech, there will be freedom of thoughts!
In a side thought, the blood of Jesus went as far as it needed to go to wash away our
I rather enjoy the mental and spitiual gymnastic that people go through to explain away, or to validate things the Bible says.
We are expected to believe what the Word says, and not try to get in its way. God created the earth and all we see in six days. There is no doubt in my heart and mind that He sent a large fish to swallow up Jonah. That Shadrack, Meshack and Abendego lived through the fire of the king's furnace. That Jesus walked upon angry seas, and that He turned water into wine. That He fed 5,000 with no more than a McDonald's Fishwich. That Joshua was used to bring down the walls of Jericho. That Jesus died on the cross, rose on the third day, and will return for the church, some day (and I pray it is soon)!
I have no problem believing the history as it is written in the Word of God. However, many still try to explain things in order to prove or disprove what faith has so freely given us! Hebrews 11:1 is all the proof I need to believe what I read.
Too often, theology is not all it's cracked up to be! Let's get on with living in faith, and quit trying to read between the lines!
The flood waters reached as far as He needed them to go in order to start anew! :thumbsup:
Pastor Paul :type:
I'm with Webdoggy here----global flood that covered the 4 corners of the Earth in a water judgment from God--the waters came suddenly like some big global sunomi
There is another judgment coming---by fire, Peter says---------I suppose all of the global nay sayers will deny its capablity to bring world wide destruction just as the waters brought!!!!:tonofbricks: It too will come suddenly!!!!!!!