Do You Really Believe The Full Gospel?

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  1. KenH

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    This is an article I found on the Internet that is very, very interesting.

    Do You Really Believe The Full Gospel?
    By Gary Amirault

    Over my many years as a Christian, I have been in and have studies the beliefs of literally hundreds of different churches in many dozens of different denominations. And having done so, I have been convinced that most of the church has fallen into just as much unbelief as did the Jews when Jesus visited the first “chosen people” nearly 2000 years ago. Is it possible that the church is going to go the same way as did the first believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Jesus did ask the question, “…when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) A truly humble heart will ask the Lord to try their heart of see if there be any wicked way in it – to see if there be any unbelief in it. Would you like to see if your beliefs line up with the Scriptures? Below is a test that will allow the reader to see if there be the “faith of Jesus Christ” (Heb. 12:2) there or if there be the “traditions of men which make the word of God of no effect.” (Matt. 15:6-9) The answer my utterly shock you, but have no fear, the answer does NOT shock Jesus. He knows how powerful the traditions of men and the doctrines of demons are. He knows that Satan is the most subtle of all the creatures God made and He knows who easily we get led astray. You might be shocked after this test. The question will be, what are you going to do about it? Hopefully, you’ll seek God’s face, lay down your life and do the right thing. Now here is the test.

    Below is a list of Scriptures in the form of a question. Do NOT simply agree with them because you know they are scriptures. Carefully look at the MEANING of those words. Can you agree with them? Do they reflect the teachings of your church? If you can agree with each Scripture as you read it, then say out loud “Amen” to that Scripture and then go on to the next one. If you find yourself hesitating at any one of them, mark that verse and seek God’s face about it.


    Do you believe in Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior of the world. Do you believe He died, was buried and rose again on the third day. Do you believe in the blood of Christ shed for the remission of my sins. Do you believe Jesus is come in the flesh. Jesus is my Lord, Savior and King.

    Do you believe and testify “that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.” (1 John 4:14)

    Do you know and believe that Jesus is “the Christ, the Savior of the world.” (John 4:42)

    Do you believe that “ this is good and acceptable in the sight of our God our saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:3-6, KJV)

    Do you believe Jesus “is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

    Do you believe that Jesus “did not come to judge the world but to save the world.” (John 12:47)

    Do you see “Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.” (Heb. 2:9)

    Do you believe that “love never fails.” (1 Cor. 13:8)

    Do you believe “with God nothing is impossible.” (Luke 1:37)

    Do you believe “this is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” (1 Tim. 4:9-11)

    Do you believe “that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” (Phil. 2:10:11)

    Do you believe “God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things on earth or in heaven, by making peace through His blood, shed on the cross. Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in His sight, without blemish and free from accusation.” (Col. 1:19, 21, 22)

    Do you believe in “the restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:21)

    Do you believe that the “good tidings of great joy will be to all people.” (Luke 2:10)

    Do you believe that believers in Christ are “born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:13)

    Do you believe that God appointed Jesus “heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.” (Heb. 1:2)

    Do you believe that “no one can come to Christ unless the Father who sent Him draws him.” (John 6:44)

    Do you believe that “as God gave Jesus authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as God have Him.” (John 17:2)

    Do you believe the Father “has given all things into Jesus’ hands.” (John 13:3)

    Do you believe that Jesus “was the true light which gives light to every man who come into the world.” (John 1:9)

    Do you believe that “just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.” (Rom. 5:18)

    Do you believe that Jesus is “able even to subdue all things to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21)

    Do you believe that Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.” (Eph. 1:10, 11)

    Do you believe “the Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)

    Do you believe that “God was Christ reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors as though God were making His appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: be reconciled to God.” (2 Cor. 5:19, 20)

    Do you believe that “all the nations shall be blessed.” (Gal 3:8)

    Do you believe that “the Bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives Life to the world.” (John 6:33)

    Do you believe that Jesus commanded us to be like Himself: “Love your enemies, bless those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” (Matt. 5:44, 45)

    Do you believe Jesus when He said: “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw (drag in the Greek) all mankind unto Myself.”

    Do you believe that “creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope, because creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.” (Rom. 8:20, 21)

    Do you believe “the Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hands.” (John 3:35)

    Do you believe “since by man came death, by man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all died, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:22)

    Do you believe Jesus “is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.” (Co. 1:15, 16)

    Do you believe that “all shall know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Heb. 8:11)

    Do you believe “the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.” (Titus 2:11)

    Do you believe you are NOT to “repay evil for evil.” (Rom. 12:17) Will God ask you to do what He Himself will NOT do?

    Do you believe “if anyone’s work which he has built endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved yet so as through fire.” (1 Cor. 3:14, 15)

    Do you believe “of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen” (Rom. 11:36)

    Do you believe “all Israel will be saved.” (Rom. 11:26)

    Do you believe “Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.” (2 Cor. 5:14)

    Do you believe that “the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Cor. 11:3)

    Do you believe that “all nations shall come and worship You, for your judgments have been made manifested.” (Rev. 15:4)

    Do you believe that “when God’s judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.” (Isaiah 26:9)

    Do you believe that “mercy shall triumph over judgment.” (James 2:13)

    Do you believe that “where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.” (Rom. 5:20)

    Do you believe “every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13)

    Do you believe that if we REALLY knew the Lord, we “would not have condemned the guiltless.” (Matt. 12:7)

    Do you believe “ God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the gentiles, which is Christ in you the hope of glory. Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.” (Col. 1: 27, 28)

    Do you believe “all nations whom God has made will come and worship before Him” (Psalm 86:9)

    Do you believe God’s “mercy endures forever.” (1 Chron. 16:34)

    Do you believe God’s Spirit “will be poured out on all flesh.” (Joel 2:28)

    Do you believe that God beckons us: “Come, and let us return to the Lord, for He has torn, but He will heal us. He has stricken, but He will bind us. After 2 days, He will revive us. On the third day He will raise us up that we may live in His sight.” (Hosea 6:1, 2)

    Do you believe “the Lord had made bare His Holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.” (Isaiah 52:10)

    Do you believe “the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” (Isaiah 40:5)

    Do you believe God will “open His hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing.” (Psalm 145:16)

    Do you believe that God is “gracious in all His works.” (Psalm 145:17)

    Do you believe “the earth is the Lord’s and all its fullness, the world and those who dwell therein.” (Psalm 24:1)

    Do you believe “all the kings of the earth shall praise you, O Lord, when they hear the words of your mouth.” (Psalm 138:4)

    Do you believe God “reveals Himself by those who did not ask for Him: He was found by those who did not seek Him.” (Isaiah 65:1)

    Do you believe “the Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all His works. All your works shall praise you, O Lord.” (Psalm 145:8-10)

    Do you believe “all the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations shall worship before You. All those who go down to the dust (death) shall bow before You.” (Psalm 22:27, 29)

    Do you believe “O You Who hear prayer, to you all flesh will come. Iniquities prevail against me; as for our transgressions, you will provide atonement for them.” (Psalm 65:2-4)

    Do you believe “through the greatness of your power your enemies shall submit themselves to you. All the earth shall worship You and sing praises to you.” (Psalm 66:3, 4)

    Do you believe that “through the Lord’s mercies we are not consumed, because His compassions fail not. They are new every morning. Great is your faithfulness.” (Lam. 3:21-24)

    Do you believe that “the Lord will not cast off forever. Though He causes grief, yet He will show compassion according to the multitude of His mercies.” (Lam. 3:31, 32)

    Do you believe “there is no God besides Me, a just God and Savior; There is none besides Me. Look to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath. He shall say, surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength. To Him men shall come, and all shall be ashamed who are incensed against Him. In the Lord all the descendants of Israel shall be justified and shall glory.” (Isaiah 45:21-25)

    Do you believe “in this mountain the Lord of Hosts will make for all people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. And he shall destroy on this mountain the surface of the covering cast over all nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord will wipe away tears from all faces.” (Isaiah 25:6-8)

    Do you believe “all the nations of the earth shall be blessed.” (Gen. 18:18)

    Do you believe “all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” (Gen. 12:3, 28:14)

    Do you believe “it shall come to pass the saying that is written: ‘death is swallowed up in victory. Oh, Death, where is your sting Oh, Hell (Hades) where is your victory.’ The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us victory though our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor. 15:54-58)

    End of Test.

    You see dear reader, the FULL Gospel makes heaven VERY full and Hell/hades/sheol quite empty. How full is your heaven? How full is your Hell? These Scriptures are quite contrary to the traditional gospel taught by most denominations of Christianity that consign most of humanity to a hell of everlasting punishments and tortures, aren’t they? Something is obviously wrong if you found yourself agreeing with all the Scriptures references above, isn’t it? Now you will do one of two things: return to the mire of tradition that nullifies the word of God, or “study to show yourself approved.” If you do the former, your life will become more difficult for you because you trampled the truth under foot. If you do the latter, you might want to avail yourself to some reference works that others who have been in your very position have written that might make your transition from tradition to Truth easier. Here are some links with some excellent writings:

    www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html


    [ March 01, 2003, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: Ken H ]
     
  2. Chemnitz

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    That is pretty bad.

    Completely ignores such verses as John 3:16 which limit salvation only to those who believe. Universal salvation (salvation for even those who do not believe) is a heresy, that people in this pluralistic society would like to believe.
     
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    This guy left out Matthew 7:13-14:

    "Enter ye in at the strait [difficult] gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [difficult] is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13-14, KJV

    and Matthew 7:21-23:

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23, KJV

    Neal
     
  4. KenH

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    There is nothing in those verses that make the case for God torture His creatures forever and ever. Corrective punishment until they do come to believe in Jesus as their Savior and bow their knee before Him - yes, but God torturing the very creatures He made forever and ever and ever - no.

    If any of you really believe that God will torture poeple without end, then can I assume you spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week going door to door to tell people that? Otherwise, where is your true concern for people that you believe will be tortured without end? How could you do anything else for even a second if you believe that?
     
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    Mt 25:41 "The he will say to those on his left 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."...46"And these will go away into enternal punishment but the righteous into eternal life"

    They are facing eternal damnation. Christ did come for all. He does desire all to be saved, but not all of us will be saved.
     
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    Please show me how you get that out of those verses.

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    that is a symbolic parable......

    Do you think there can be a difference between the elect..those who are specifically called out to be the physical body of Jesus,

    and the rest of mankind which in the scriptures mentioned by ken...are those made in the image of God. and also are saved by grace by imputation of righteousness by God.

    and let me add this..."saved and placed "in christ" before the foundation of the earth".

    for the mention the promise of the slain lamb (before the foundation of the earth) is also to mention the promise towards those that he was slain for. All Men... "who were made in the image of God"

    Good Scriptures Ken...Amen and "unrefutable".

    Thanks Gary

    Me2 [​IMG]
     
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    No body has used any parables to refute ken's argument. You are only trying to dismiss verses that put a gaping hole into your touchie feelie theology. If you can't come up with a better argument than that this conversation isn't even worth continuing.
     
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    Talk about grasping at straws. Those were pretty lame and don't have a scriptural leg on which to stand.

    If all you are going to do is post bad websites and not respond to counter arguments then this thread is useless.

     
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    Since no one who believes in the traditional teaching of hell that was developed during the Dark Ages has said they spend 24 hours a day/7 days a week evangelizing to warn the 6 billion people on earth about hell, I must conclude that none of these people in practicality really believe that anyone will be tortured by God without end. Or else in practicality they just don't care if anyone ends up being tortured by God without end.

    Those are the only two possible conclusions I can draw.

    But just remember in the age to come when all people are saved and bow before Jesus as their Lord to not act surprised that God has accomplished what you thought He could not do - the salvation and reconciliation of all of His precious creation - including all human beings. [​IMG]
     
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    I can't save anyone. Only God can. But you are right that far too many Christians don't understand the urgency of spreading the gospel message.
     
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    I am not even going to bother responding to the fallacy of your statements. In fact, since you are so unwilling to even address scripture that runs completely against your "theology", I am not even going to bother with this thread anymore.

    BTW I do what I can to evangelize with out forsaking my other vocations.

    Judging from your profile, you are trying to find a way around Calvin's theology of predestination and in doing so have fallen for the heresy of Universalism.
     
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    May God bless you. [​IMG]
     
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    What a silly comment! Show me someone who can physically function 24/7 first! :rolleyes: Did Jesus do it?

    Also, all those times Jesus talked of weeping and gnashing of teeth, He was just kidding, right? What is the judgement that men are appointed to (Heb.9:27) if there is nothing to judge? What is the lake of fire?

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    A good article is at hellbusters.8m.com/eby/aionage.htm.

    As for eternal life, once death, including the second death, is destroyed after all have come to believe in Jesus as their Savior, there will be no more death.

    Only life will remain. [​IMG]
     
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    As for eternal life, once death, including the second death, is destroyed after all have come to believe in Jesus as their Savior, there will be no more death.

    Only life will remain.

    Dear Ken,

    AMEN. Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting? AND Death is swallowed up in LIFE.

    Praise to you our Great Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, who leads us in triumphal procession.

    Ever living to lead the captives free.

    Blessings to you in Jesus, Ken. [​IMG]

    Here is another site which you may not have discovered:

    http://www.sharktacos.com/God/cross1.html

    It's a tradition buster, for sure.

    Peace, GH (Diane)
     
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    Ken H., your either...or disjunction is fallacious and only made intensely WORSE when you selective cite Scriptures that CONCEAL the very doctrine REVEALED in it- THE DOCTRINE OF ETERNAL HELL. (Just one for you - Mark 9:42-48)

    rufus :(
     

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