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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Dec 27, 2013.
That this"movement" within society and in the Church seems to hve heavy demonic aspect to it?
No more so than any other societal ill currently invading the world. This is the "dying world" aspect of society. It deteriorates to its lowest common denominator, just as it did in the days of Noah.
perhaps, bu this sin seems to be unnatural in a way and fashion unlike other sins and practices, as it pervents the natural created design and order of God one man for one woman!
I agree with "this number", I think it more a matter of the "posture of the heart" rather which sin is preferred by any one person.
Now if you are referring to the more militant expositors of homosexuality, those who are violent and interrupt church services etc. with vile messages, such as in the case of German incidents. Such reflect hearts deeply in rebellion toward ANYTHING which "smacks" of God and His standards.
there still seems to be "something" driving this need to have that particular sin be accepted by society and in the church as a legit lifestyle though, beyond just humanity...
I think that homosexuality is more pervasive, in our time, than other sins. Perhaps in this way I would agree – it is demonic by its pervasiveness and the movement’s success at infiltrating the church, home, and society. But it is does, perhaps, stand on the shoulders of other “movements” which have gone before and it carries with it other “social ills” (e.g., theological tolerance for other beliefs, denial of absolute truth/good, etc).
Think much of this goes back to when Christianity started to uphold modern critical views on the Bble inspiration/revelation, and once the bible was no longer viewd as fully infallible, as not oursole authority for all things doctrine and practiced, then all these "isms" came into church!
What I find interesting is that these can sense one another, even the ones who don't 'look like it' (some who are straight can point out those who flaunt it).
I also must consider that when I've been out somewhere, I could at times sense another who was a believer, and then we engaged in dialogue over that. I know of others who have had the same experience.
So, here is my take: We can sense one another by the Holy Spirit at times (IMO) and so with that there must be some spirit whereby they recognize one another as well.
I don’t mind the “isms” so much. I think when you look back at the NT churches they were not identical in practice, culture, and emphasis. Paul’s epistles show church distinctiveness. He corrects them when they drift however I do not see Paul telling the churches to be identical but instead to be united in Christ.
I think that this is the world…well, being worldly. I personally expect our nation to continually decline, but perhaps I am just pessimistic.
When satan though got seminaries to hold that the bible is "less than" what it is, was no longer fully inspired revealtion, but only partially or not at all, then we got into churches from pulpit and leadership views like jesus not only way to God, faith nd works to get saved, alternate life styles now acceptable based out 'enlightened" views etc!
tear down the standard, and literally anything goes!
I Have NO Doubts....
Of course, I am expecting to get lectured and clumped into the group of good old boys who pick on homosexuals, so let me add this. There is no more demonic intervention in this sin than there is in let's say, fornication and adultery, or gossip, or hate, or anger, or murder, or theft!
Still, I got this strange, tingling sensation in the back of my mead that soon and very soon, a certain memeber wil defintiely drop the hammer of judgement on Yall!...
No more Satanic than Feminism.
Don't worry, Bro ...
The focus is often upon the overt recognized results of sin (that which we label as sin) when the actual sin occurred far earlier and what is being seen is merely the manifestation of that seed.
I will be a bit bold with the BB folks understanding that I am not in the slightest down playing the overt display as less than sin being exceedingly sinful.
Here is my thinking:
What proceeded perversion (the giving over of the mind by God) of a person and by extension a society?
Paul wrote to Tim: For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
And who does not recognize this results in perversion - just as Paul expressed in Romans:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
I would suggest that the manifestation of evil is the result of an underbelly of sin filled. A heart which evil seed is planted will produce evil living, thinking, perversions...
That the manifestation of such is a prophetic message that God has turned away from a people, that rebuke is no longer in play, but that judgment is pronounced and coming. Just as judgment was brought to those in whom Paul was writing.
This is what is now facing the world, and (imo) has already started right here in the US.
yes, as both were 'agendas" that Satan wanted to get pushed and dragged into the church!
If it does, I'd think we would have to say the same about such "movements" of all sin.
During the 1000 Year Millenial Reign when satan and his minions are bound, men will continue to sin. The movements are movements because of the wicked hearts of men not because of satan and demonic influence.
From what I can see, satan is using the church to give locomotion to the "movement". We're so focused on this sin and the movement that we often times fail to address the TOTALITY of ALL the sin in these people's lives.
Say we do convince them that homosexuality is a sin. Because of the unloving, unChristlike manner in which we often attempt to do so, there will be no chance of a fruitful relationship by which we point them to Christ.
We will have won on an ISSUE but lost the SOUL.
There seems to me to be more of a demonic influence upon those in the church on this issue than on the homosexuals.
If they are doing wrong already, there's really no need for satan to interfere that much.
The place to attack is the church. Convince the CHURCH to chase after winning the political battle of the ISSUE and they won't focus on winning the SOUL.
So do adultery and heterosexual fornication. So exactly how is this sin any more unnatural than adultery and heterosexual fornication?
As goes the Church so goes the world. I would venture that the CHURCH is the something driving the need.
We continue to deal with this as a political issue or argument to be won while expressing little or no love for the people.
Kids join gangs because it's where they feel like they can find love and family and a place to belong.
This "movement" is the same thing. The more unloving the Church is to them about this issue, the more they are driven to this big "homosexual gang movement".
Misinformation and distraction from the truth are used mightily by the devil against the church to get us to essentially push people towards this "movement".
Homosexuality is nowhere near being more pervasive than other sins.
Heterosexual fornication and lust are many times over more pervasive just because of sheer numbers.
But we've been lulled to sleep. It's easy for the church to say that the sins of a minority are the most pervasive sin because a lot more of them, the Church, are involved tacitly or otherwise with the sin of the majority---the heterosexual fornication and lust.
Does anyone watch tv? Or go to the movies? Or pick up a magazine?
And the devil has convinced us that homosexual sin is the most pervasive sin? God help us.
Then build the standard back up by preaching the GOSPEL and stop worrying about ISSUES.:thumbsup:
the ISSUES are addressed in the preaching of the GOSPEL.