Do you see the OT as Inspired/inerrant as the NT Books?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Are BOTH OT/NT books just as inspired/infallible, or does the OT justhave "partial revealtion/inspiration?"
     
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    Check the Book....

    2 Timothy 3:14-17 NAS77
    14 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them;
    15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
    16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
    17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

    Timothy didn't have a NT in his childhood. He was taught from what the seminary was fond of calling the Hebrew Scriptures.
     
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    Without the OT the NT is meaningless and Christianity has no more historical authority than the LDS or Zoroastrianism.
     
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    One must rightly divide the word of truth (2Tim 2:15) to see which scriptures pertain to what dispensation. Both OT and NT are given by inspiration of God (2Tim 3:16).

    In 1 Cor. 9:8-10, Paul says that what God had put in (at least) one portion of the Law of Moses was actually written for the Church, the Body of Christ's, sake, and He actually did not care about oxen.
     
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    Why?...................
     
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    Other scriptures are written to Israel and for our learning though (Rom. 15:4).

    Such passages as Deut. 30:1-8 are written to Israel and not to the Church, the Body of Christ.
     
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    Gentile members are not obligated. Jewish Christians are obligated.
     
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    based upon the various posters here, it seems that some do not see the OT as equally inspired as the NT, as they refer to it being"God accomadating Himself/progressive revelation/pagan sources etc"!
     
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    So what do you plan to do with that info? Beat them down, prove them wrong?

    Those folks are on this board and have been for a long time.
     
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    Obligated to what? Not obligated to what?


    Believe the whole Bible is ordained by God and inerrant and relevant? That is it complete and useful for teaching and for the reproof of the man of God?

    We can believe that without making it applicable to the NT Church in the same way it was applicable to the OT Jew. Or, if you would rather not make the OT and NT the pivot point, the work of Christ on the Cross is the pivot point.


    Do you know that many Jewish followers of Christ understand the work of Christ on the cross to be the pivot point also? They stand against what would have been Judaizers (like those Paul wrote to fight against) in the early church and today? They understand they do not have to observe Torah but are free to do so if they choose.
     
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    There is not one verse in Exo thru Deut that obligates gentiles living In Chicago to observe Torah. There is not one verse in the NT which commands Jews to ignore Torah. Acts teaches that Jewish Christians continued Temple worship. Historical evidence in that Jewish Christians continued Sabbath worship in local synagogues until they were excommunicated during the Bar Kochba Rebellion.
     
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    In Hebrews we read that the Old Covenant was made obsolete and a New Covenant was made. Jesus Himself instituted it. Jesus declared all food clean. Col 2 and Rom 14 indicate great freedom concerning issues addressed in the Torah. The book of Galatians was written to Jews who were converts that had other Jews trying to hold them to the Torah but were free in Christ.

    Jews that converted were not going to the synagogue to worship but to teach the truth.

    I can recommend a great resource, taught by a Jewish follower of Christ, that addresses the issue if your interested. The DVD's are spendy but they have cheaper options.

    http://arielc.org/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AMC&Product_Code=DVD-cs-msg&Category_Code=
     
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    Mt. 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    Mt. 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

    Do you understand the import of these two texts in regard to the Temple system of worship? Jesus was rejecting the temple as "his" house in Matthew 23:38 and God was rejecting it as His house in Matthew 27:51. The Jewish system of worship was rejected before Pentecost and it was only a matter of time that God would destroy it as well (Mt. 24:3-4).
     
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    > Jesus declared all food clean.

    This invalidated the 613 statements of the Law?

    Which are reinstated in the NT?
     
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    Do you regard ONLY the Torah as inspired/reveltion from God?
    Do you hold that Jews saved by Law, gentiles by grace?

    That the law still in effect under new Covenant same way as it was under the old?
     
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    Israel in this dispensation are not saved. Psalm 69:27-28 and Rom. 11:7-10.
     
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    Pick up Lewis Sperry Chafer's "Dispensationalism". It's in the public domain, and available on E-sword.
     
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    individual jews are saved by the grace of God thru the Cross, same way as gentiles are today!

    its just that isreal the nation/peoples still ahve a reckoning with the Lord in end days, time of jacobs folly, when God will turn to making them ready asa people to meet and receive Jesus as ther king at His returning!
     
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    In the scriptures, Israel is never called the Church, the Body of Christ (and vice versa).
     
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    I agree with you, as I am a Calvinistic Dispy!
     

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