Doctrinal Differances

Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Berean, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. Berean

    Berean
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    1
    I am serious; Would someone please explain to me in a non-biased fashion the basic dif. in Fund. Baptist & Southern Baptist SB Doctrine
     
  2. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,270
    Likes Received:
    777
    The main difference is in separation. IFB's refuse to cooperate with any other church.

    It is important to note that the SBC is not a denomination but a cooperative of Independent Baptist Churches. Now within that cooperative there are liberal churches and Fundamental conservative churches.
     
  3. THEOLDMAN

    THEOLDMAN
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Who are these "liberal" churches in the SBC ?
     
  4. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    It depends on your personal stance, and where you fall in the conservative/liberal spectrum...

    Some I see as Conservative.. others may see as liberal.

    What Rev is trying to say... (I THINK>>> LOL) is that within the SBC there is a wide range of differing churches...

    Same as in the ABC/USA... which I am a part of... I would fall on the conservative side within our denomination.

    Although.. I am probably more liberal when IFBs view my stance...

    Conservative/liberal is in the eye of the beholder...

    As for the OP... Rev is right.. ecclesiastical seperation is the real key to understanding the differences...
     
  5. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    That's not true. The difference between SBC and IFB generally does have to do with separation, but it does not follow that IFB churches do not cooperate with any other church. IFB churches generally cooperate with other IFB churches.
     
  6. Dr. Timo

    Dr. Timo
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2009
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    0
    The reason cooperaton becomes so important is the cooperative program and SBC Churches emphasis on missions. If our smaller SBC Church in Ohio didn't cooperate in missions how limited would we be in trying to fulfill the great comission? I would assume that there are some conservative and liberal Churches in both groups. Although the SBC has been doing some house cleaning there for a number of years now. :godisgood: :jesus:
     
    #6 Dr. Timo, Mar 2, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 2, 2009
  7. Jim1999

    Jim1999
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    0
    Attitude is probably the huge difference between the two groups rather than doctrine.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  8. Ed Edwards

    Ed Edwards
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/Ed.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    15,715
    Likes Received:
    0
    Revmitchell: // It is important to note that the SBC is not a denomination but a cooperative of Independent Baptist Churches. Now within that cooperative there are liberal churches and Fundamental conservative churches. //

    Amen, Brother Revmitchell - You are so RIGHT ON!!


    THEOLDMAN: // Who are these "liberal" churches in the SBC ? //

    In my town of Norman Oklahoma the most 'liberal' (actually more liberal than the grandaughters - in other words (i.e.) moderate) church is the First Baptist Church of Norman, Oklahoma. It contributes both to the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) and MSBC (Main Stream Baptist Convention)

    My smaller Local Church, a grandaughter church of the FBC-Norman, is highly Conservative, well more than FBC-Norman and less than most IFB - independent fundamental Baptist churches.

    My Signature Block is shown to show how I feel about different Bible Versions which you can rate for yourselfs:
     
    #8 Ed Edwards, Mar 2, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 2, 2009
  9. Dr. Timo

    Dr. Timo
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2009
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    0
    attitude

    That's been my experience as an SBC pastor. My dad lived in Florida for awhile and while he lived there he became a part of a couple of IFB Churches. When I came to visit and go to Church with him he would always introduce me. The one Church a layman met us before we went into the sanctuary and when he asked what type of Church I pastored I said southern baptist. He said, "Oh I'm sorry".
    I said that's ok I'm not and I forgot about it. A few years later when he attended another one I visited on fathers day. The pastor called me by name and let the Church know that ball players and movie stars were not their heros but pastors adn missionaries. Then he proceeded to have me stand at the back of the sanctuary and the folks came by and gave me money as they left morning worship service. He said we could go out to eat and have a great fathers day that way. Attitudes vary among those two groups!!!:laugh: :godisgood: :jesus:
     
  10. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,270
    Likes Received:
    777

    I have been in both. I know other wise
     
  11. Salty

    Salty
    Expand Collapse
    20,000 Posts Club
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    22,065
    Likes Received:
    214
    Jim is so right! :thumbsup: and so is Rev Mitchell
    (wow, when those two agree :smilewinkgrin: :love2: )

    check this BB poll link
     
  12. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have been an IFB my whole life. I have never been affiliated in anyway with the SBC. I know for a fact that many IFB churches cooperate with other churches. I have preached for the meetings of these churches. I have planned and helped to plan the cooperative efforst.

    So when you say that IFB churches do not cooperate with other churches, you are simply wrong.

    It may be that the IFB churches you were a part of did not, but that doesn't fairly represent other IFB churches.
     
  13. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    Not very. As a pastor of a very small IFB church, I can assure you we have way more opportunities to fulfill the great commission than we have resources.

    However, it is interesting that associate fulfilling the GC with supporting missionaries. I disagree. A church that doesn't support any missionaries can be very active in fulfilling the GC.
     
  14. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    I haven't found this to be true. Most of my experience with SBC folks has been here at the BB, and they are among some of the most rude, arrogant, "my way or the highway" kind of posters here. They are as bad as the IFB posters to be honest. And that is shameful.
     
  15. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,270
    Likes Received:
    777

    Well if you are involved with a group of IFB churches that cooperate then God Bless you all. But there is a very large portion, and especially many of those that came out of the Hyles era that hold to a doctrine that says separation is biblical. Meaning no cooperating with other churches.
     
  16. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    Separation is biblical, but I don't know of any church that has ever said that means no cooperating with other churches. Hyles didn't even believe that. Hyles type churches (which are unquestionably some of the worst kind of churches that have ever been known) would cooperate with other like churches (kept them from contaminating other churches, which was good).

    But the idea that IFB churches don't cooperate with other churches is just wrong on its face. Mission agencies like Baptist World Mission and Baptist Mid Missions are the result of the cooperation of IFB churches. Many states have state associations such as the Independent Fundamental Baptist Association of Michigan or the Minnesota Baptist Fellowship. And there are many other examples.
     
    #16 Pastor Larry, Mar 2, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 2, 2009
  17. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0

    Check out this link to Saddleback

    http://saddlebackfamily.com/servicetimesanddirections/index.html


    In my opinion, any chuch that has different "venues" for your preference of style of worship, including an outdoor cafe, and a hard rock concert ,

    Is Liberal

    This is not biblical seperation...it is bringing the world into the church.

    AJ
     
  18. Amy.G

    Amy.G
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree. Get ready for the :tonofbricks:

    This is an unpopular stance around here.


    It seems too many people these days are trying to bring God down to them instead of lifting themselves up to God through faith, obedience, prayer and bible study. We are supposed to be conformed to His image, not conform His image to ours.
     
    #18 Amy.G, Mar 2, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 2, 2009
  19. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0

    I know its unpopular, but if they would go to the link and click on the different "venues" of worship, then they would see how worldly and ridiculous it is.:love2:
     
  20. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0

    Did you notice the worship service that they have for singles?

    Is the purpose to go to church to find a wife or husband?

    It does say

    If you’re a single adult who enjoys current Christian music, this service is for you. Every Saturday evening following the message, get to know other singles at different planned events

    Sounds like a dating service to me

    AJ
     

Share This Page

Loading...