Doctrinal error

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  1. El_Guero

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    I have noticed that a lot of our modern preachers preach doctrinal error.

    Now sometimes it is just doctrine from a different background and we feel that it is error.

    But, I am wanting to know why we have so many Christians listening to preachers that preach doctrinal issues that we really should not agree with . . . Do we not read Scripture?

    The TBN crew comes to mind quickly, but we have them in the SBC as well - let's try not to name them by name.
     
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    Why not name the flale teachers by name. They need to go if they are misleading people.

    I agree 100%. I have heard so many tell me that it must be right because so and so preaches it or believes it. I have heard preachers preach stuff that they had not studied. I once heard a pastor of a lrage church in the SBC preach something that I knew was ful of holes. So afterward I confronted him about it. He was gracious enough to listen. He never preached that nonsense again. He had simply preached what someone else had. For awhile when I was in Ft. Worth I could go to church on Synday and listen to W. A. Criswell preach a sermon on the radio and hear the same sermon the next Sunday at the church I attended. Later I moved and went to another church. One time I was visiting the pastor and realized he preached Criswells sermons each week. This was before the internet sermons. About one year later some people found out and confronted him. He left and went to a SBT church not too far away.

    Sometime I would challenge you to ask people to explain salvation in the church you attend. Years ago I did that and got quite a few different answers. Few could tell me how it affected them in the present. Most would tell me how to be saved as though it were fire insurance but few could tell me anything else.
     
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    That's because that's the way most people view it. "Oh, just so long as I get to heaven, that's good enough for me!"
     
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    Whose going to make them go? You? God bless you if you can.
    The fact is that they will be here til the end of time. Jesus and all of the Apostles have warned us to be aware of them.
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    Joel Osteen <----has no testimony of salvation

    Paul Crouch <----need I say anything? He is in bed with a harlot (Rev. 17, the Roman Catholic Church)

    Binny Hinn <---teaches numerous errors and is a wolf in sheep's clothing

    John Hagee <---on TV he appears to "just preach the Gospel" but if you go to his church, they have speaking in tongues, "slain in the spirit" (note: not the Spirit of God for sure), and other mess yet most casual watchers of his program would never know what he really believes.

    I have been in many ministerial meetings and classes, and honestly, I'm concerned for the state of our country. Only a handful in the whole place seemed they knew anything about God. We now have a generation of "daddy-called, and mamma-sent preachers" who have no authority with God or with man.
     
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    I tend to think a lot of what is called "doctrinal error" is nothing more than what Scripture calls "leaven". So why do we see 'preaching' with so much leaven?? :confused:
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    So we can 'raise the dough!" :thumbsup: :rolleyes: :laugh:

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    Amen!

    We just got to be faithful when we preach the Word.

     
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    Let's get back to the issue and not the individuals - we might start picking sides.

    Kinda like when ya' preach at someone in the congregation versus preaching the Word and letting the Holy Spirit convict.

    ;)

    What they are doing is wrong. And I think if we focus on His Word and what is right and not on them individually - we might be able to start a change towards revival . . .
     
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    Surely there are more of us preaching true doctrine than those preaching false... dont forget we have a promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail.
     
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    Tiny

    I would like to think that more of us preach godly doctrine . . . (had to ask, so please forgive me for asking the obvious) . . . but, if most of us did preach godly doctrine - wouldn't we expect to see people in specific (& and the country in general) repent?
     
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    Correct preaching doesn't guarantee anything. Consider Jeremiah.
     
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    Correct preaching and praying will see results. We just lack prayer and preaching like they used to have in the 1930, 40s, and earlier.
     
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    How would you like it if God called you to preach like this:

    "I want you to preach, I want you to indict the people for their sins, name their sins, call them to repentance, and warn them of what'll happen if they don't. Oh, there's one other thing. They won't listen. Not only will they not listen, but they'll be angry at you for preaching to them. Don't expect any converts, because I've heardened their hearts and blinded their eyes so they not only won't repent, but can't."

    That was God speaking to Isaiah in Chapter 6. Would any of you want to preach under that call? Me neither. But Isaiah did.

    The lesson, of course, is that we are called to preach and witness and God take care of the rest of it.
     
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    Freely paraphrasing Isa. 6, of course??

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  15. Tom Butler

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    Oh, a paraphrase for certain. Hope nobody took it as a direct quote. For a good Bible study, read Isaiah 6 and John 12:37-45. John 12 helped me to arrive at the paraphrase. Not inspired, of course, just my take on the passages.

    Brother Ed, I'd be interested in your own take on Isa. 6.
     
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    Here comes the Calvinism. Duck! :laugh:

    Dude, This is about false teachings (and maybe even false teachers, if we dare to name them) I think we SHOULD mark them and call them what they are, just like Paul did.

    I can go through a list of false teachers, since I have recently had to deal with the whole Word of Faith movement issue both in our church and in my bible study class. (praise God it has been put to a stop) Just do an easy study (cause you don't have to go deep to find Falsehoods) and you will not only be distugsted but inflamed at the out right blasphemy used by major Charismatic names.

    Benn Hinn Claims God is not only three but NINE. Each member of the God head is a triune being in unto themselves - He recieved a relevation on TBN 1991 with Paul Crouch

    Kenneth Copeland believes we are Gods made just like GOD himself and that Christ brought us back to our full inheritence.

    I can go on and on (i literally have 58 pages of quotes like them and many more abominations and blasphemies from well over 15 Pastors in the Word of Faith movement.
     
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    Tom

    Do you really expect a misquote of God's Word to be your defense?

    I tho't not.

    Preach His Word . . . and if they do not repent, God will not hold you accountable - Ezekiel 3.


     
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    My responsibility is to faithfully preach God's Word. The redsults are not my responsibility - they are God's. I do the preaching, teaching, etc., but God does the saving.

    Yes, I do have a responsibility to preach correct doctrine. But, I wolud rather preach "for" the Bible than "against" the false prophets. I want my church to become so familiar with the truth that they'll recognize the lie when they hear it. I believe that expository preaching through books of the Bible does just that.

    I cannot make my curch learn, but I can present the truth to them.
     
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    Judas was with Jesus.
     
  20. Tom Butler

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    I did not misquote God's word, I paraphrased it. Many a preacher and Bible teacher has taken a passage of scripture and expounded on it, by paraphrasing it in modern English.

    You may hold that it's a mis-paraphrase, and I'm certainly open to your showing me how it is.

    John 12:37-40 basically says the people didn't believe Jesus' preaching because they could not believe. John called it a fulfillment of Isaiah 53 ("who has believed our report?") and pointed to Isaiah 6 as the reason. "He (God) hath blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can't see with their eyes or understand with their hearts, and be converted, and I should heal them ". That's why I said John 12: 37-40 was a help in developing the paraphrase.

    I certainly agree with you on Ezek 3. If we preach the word, when judgment comes, those who have heard the preaching will be without excuse. The preacher will not be held accountable.
     

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