Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Here we see a contrast between the saved and the lost--those in the flesh and those in the Spirit. Those in the flesh cannot please God. One can only be in the Spirit if the Spirit of God dwells in him. Now, if one who is in the flesh cannot please God, yet the Spirit must dwell in someone for him to be "in the Spirit," does it not follow that this all must happen by the direct, effectual intervention of God? Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that (1) cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently (2) seek him. We see that one must have faith to please God. However, those who are in the flesh cannot please God, and God must do something supernatural on their part for them to be in the Spirit. Now, this verse says that one must come to God and seek Him. Where does faith come from? Do other Scriptures explain this? Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. (1)We see that no one comes to Christ unless given by the Father AND that all whom the Father gives DO come. Therefore, one must be effectually drawn to come. Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. (2)According to this passage, no one seeks after God. However, we know that there are those that have and do seek after God. These must have been given by the Father, because they have come to the Son. The giving of the Father overrides the default condition of "cannot come" and "none that seeketh." From whence does the faith come? Php 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; Php 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God. Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; If one believes on Christ, it has been given to them to believe. If not, the faith of the gospel itself is verily a token of their own perdition. Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. The light is NOT just a mushy, gushy thing that makes everyone pleasant. The light is also condemnation. Of those who come, it is made manifest that their actions in the truth are the work of God on their behalf. It seems perfectly clear to me that 1. God must work effectually on one's behalf for one to come to Him. 2. God must give one faith for one to believe the gospel. 3. One does not seek God without the Father giving him to the Son. 4. All in all, one is totally dependent on God for every facet of Salvation. 5. All credit possible for why one is saved vs. lost must be given to God alone.