Does God Exist?

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    Does God Exist?
    This is one of the best explanations of why God allows pain and suffering that I have seen. It's an explanation other people will understand. A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed.
    As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."
    "Why do you say that?" asked the customer. "Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist.
    Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things."
    The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt! The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist." "How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber and I just worked on you!" "No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside." "Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."
    "Exactly!" affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world.
     
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    Yes. Of course he does.

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    I know that, it's about the story!!
     
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    Great story Jim...that is an awesome illustration and worth using anytime...thanks for posting it!We have an awesome God ..don't we.We just need to go to Him...He loves us and awaits our turning to Him.

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    Thanks for posting that.
     
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    Outstanding! Thank you. That is such a simple yet profound illustration. Mind if I use it in my next sermon?

    BTW: God doesn't "exist" , HE LIVES !
    I, personally, see a huge difference between "existing" and "living".
    FWIW

    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
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    sermons away!!
     
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    Thanks, jim62! Puts a lot of things into perspective, doesn't it?
     
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    Yes. Of course he does.

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    </font>[/QUOTE]Very preceptive of you. :rolleyes:
     
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    Awesome Jim!

    It reminds me of that email that circulated after September 11th. It said something like, "Someone asked, "Where was your God on September 11th?" Someone answered, "He was preventing 200 people from making their flights on the 3 planes that went down, he was causing over 1,000 people to call in sick, he was causing over 5,000 to show up late for work, he was keeping two engine companies trapped in traffic jams..."

    The original estimates of death that day, based on who was expected to be in the buildings hit - was over 13,000. The final count of lives lost was almost 10,000 less.
     
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    Yep, I like that. The next person that says to me that God doesn’t exist I’m going to find out some things about them and use that example to turn it around on them. Yep, long to hear and slow to speak with the same conclusion at the end. Good stuff Jim!
     
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    Interesting illustration. It does deal with one aspect of the "can a good God exist if there is suffering" problem, but it will probably get a predictable response: the barber didn't create the world that has people with dirty long hair, while God did create the world that has people who suffer.

    But, as far as it does go, it's a useful illustration.
     
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    God did create the world that has people who suffer.
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    I usually respond to that with, "Actually, God created a world totally free of suffering, but Satan convinced Adam and Eve that ignoring God was more fun, and when that happened, they created suffering."
     
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    Open door for the unsaved. Word is getting back to me, that someone that don't talk about God liked it, and would like more. So if you have a little story you know, help keep the door open.

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    Thanks for sharing that story.

    I do have one nitpick with a theological implication of this statement. It seems to be suggesting that those who turn to God will not experience pain and suffering in this life.

    I do think this is a nice illustration that gets folks thinking.

    I would say that the question of pain and suffering is one where it is better to allow room the possiblity that "I don't know" than to have an oversimplified pat answer that is easy to find exception to and diminishes the pain and suffering of others.
     
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    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    That's why we need to tell them the difference of what it is saying.

    I'v been through pain and suffering without God, and I'v been through pain and suffering with God, and his Great power, that helped me through, It's an open door, It's all about God, and Him only. And later you can tell them about...

    Revelation 21:4

    And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    [ May 10, 2005, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: jim62 ]
     

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