Does God hate the Sinner?

I see where we differ, our the definitions of hate, & I'm not saying I'm absolutly right. Still have a lot to learn, Preacher or not. Thats always been a highlite for me by coming here. I learn, & sometimes I'm blessed by being able to help someone else learn.
You still seem to miss one point, or it's my miss, that is God's omniciense(spell?) He knows if one is going to remain a "worker" of iniquity all his natural life or not. We don't.
The same for the crowd at the trials & the cross.
Jesus was always ,....always being our example.
Again, being God in the flesh, He could have looked at each indivdual there & known who would & who would not come to Him before it was too late for them. He could have died quietly on the cross, but He spoke the words He did for the benefit of all, in that day....& this day. Being our example.
we do know that on that very day, that some, not many (that were recorded anyway) of that crowd did believe on Him.

 

The bible also says we are enemies of God
Romans 5:10

 

Yes, we are enimies untill we come to believe on His Son. Once we are cleansed by His precious blood we become His Child!!

 

again in this verse he is using the term to mean to detest, to love less,not to utterly hate.

 

You are right to a degree, if I understand all you're saying. I'm not picking on ya but some of the words you used I just don't understand. Just an ole' mountain boy that don't even remember much of his H.S. english.
That said would'nt even our forbearers had similar questions & ideas before they reached a higher level of understanding?
again not picking but I hope I never get to the point where I think I'm inerrant, & I'm far from being a Biblicist.
If I think I don't understand a subject then I don't try to explain it, I read & try to learn...mabey asking my own questions along the way. But there are subjects in the Bible that if we're wrong in our particular way of interpeting it then no Great harm done.But in the same sense there are those we had better be right on target or we could lead one down a wrong path.
Oh, I have NO problem with My God doing what He pleases,how He pleases, when He pleases. I'm just glad it Pleased Him to save an old wretch like me!!

 

Here is a little something I wrote on this subject several years ago. I think every point of it will bear up under the scrutiny of Scripture:

Mark Osgatharp

 

H8130 (hatest)
ùׂðà
śânê'
saw-nay'
A primitive root; to hate (personally): - enemy, foe, (be) hate (-ful, -r), odious, X utterly.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


G3404 (hated)
μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less: - hate (-ful).

Obviously He can and does hate. Hatest - (to hate PERSONALLY).

Hated - to detest (ESP. TO PERSECUTE).

God can and does things we are not to do (hate, swearing oaths, judging certain things...). I don't understand why this is so hard for some to understand? We as adults do and watch and talk about things our children are not ready to do, so we tell them not to do them. As we are His children, there are things we are not ready to do so He tells us not to do them.

 

You pull one definition of hate and say "that is it!" It doesn't in all instances mean to "hate personally". If it did, God would be a murderer as Jesus said that anyone who hates (personally) is a murderer. It's not that hard to let Bible interpret Bible.

 

It depends on what you mean.

If you mean "Does God have an intense dislike for the sinner?", the answer is yes.

If you mean "Does God withhold his love from the sinner?", the answer is no.

In our English verbage, we have implied that hate is the opposite of love, and therefore when something is hated, it is not loved. But these are implication of the English language, and those implication are not present in scripture.

It is accurate in our English understanding to say that God doesn't hate the sinner, but he does dislike the sinner.

 

Has not God witheld His love from those who have been consigned to the eternal flames of hell?

Mark Osgatharp

 

Why is it that most people when they see Luke 14:26 say that the hate there really means "less of a preference for," yet some of the same people when they see Romans 9:13 say "Yup! God hated Esau!"? The hate in both verses is the same Greek word (miseo). Why can't we be consistent?

God hated Esau in that He chose (elected) the conniving younger brother to be the one through which the nation of Israel would be established rather than the expected first-born.

 

In the statement "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated", the object of hatred is not so much Esau himself as his progeny. This was a people despised by God because they despised God's choice of the patriarch Jacob over their patriarch Esau. As it is said in Malachi:

"Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob and hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places: thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will thrown down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever."

Sure sounds like bona fide hatred to me.

Mark Osgatharp

 

Has not God witheld His love from those who have been consigned to the eternal flames of hell?

Mark Osgatharp </font>[/QUOTE]Then why is God "grieved" over those who end up there? If He hates them, why care?

 

No. I surmise that greater is love to let a loved one go than to force a loved one to stay.

 

Hell is not a matter of letting a loved one go because:

A. The wicked are not God's loved ones.

B. God didn't just "let them go". Rather, He created the place of torment we called hell and will thrust the wicked into it.

C. The 5th and 11th Psalms, among others, assert that God hates the wicked and will, subsequently, destroy them. That means God takes an active role in both hating and punishing the wicked - hardly the same scenario as letting a loved one go.

Mark Osgatharp

 

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
From The day that Adam sinned, God has made a way for people to turn from their sin, both sin nature..& the personl sins. We need to understand that God is God. We ARE not going to undersatnd every detail till we are with him. If He says in HIS Word that HE can hate...then He can do it. He doesn't tell us to do it, He tells us to Love.
As I've stated before He knows the end Of each individual(yet He gives them an opportunity to repent)...we don't know the end.
He withholds His Love from NOONE, remember it rains on the just & the unjust. He wants NONE to perish...that is made clear, but He knows that no matter what ....some (unfortunatly a lot)will.
The word perish in the greek (Strongs Def.) means to utterly deatroy. The way the word hate is used,
from the verse that started this post means to utterly hate. Both indicate a finality, no return, no more chances.
I know it doesn't sit well with some, but like I stated on another different post if I am wrong & you can show me then I will admit it...learn from it & grow!! None of us are perfect yet...all of us are still children being taught from His Word. Any of us can be wrong at different times.

Mark..You posted at the same time as me so I wanted to add this. If you study...God doesn't "thrust" anyone into hell. It was made for satan & his followers!