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Does God Honor marriages between Either the Unsaved, or Saved/Unsaved?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by DaChaser1, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. freeatlast

    freeatlast New Member

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    The first was the first couple and they were believers. The only ones who can honor marriage are the saved.
     
  2. glfredrick

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    We cannot say "regardless" here for God has much instruction concerning marriage that we are not currently considering.

    God instituted marriage before there was a valid authority, save God Himself.
     
  3. glfredrick

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    I would not say they were "believers" in the same light as believers today in the New Covenant.

    They WALKED WITH GOD, so they did not have to "believe" though certainly they did because they, of all humans, had "proof" of God's existence.

    My greater point here is that God instituted marriage between husband and wife before there was any mother or father to leave, any home to which to cleave, and any sin in the world. Marriage is the first act of God toward man and woman newly created, which speaks to its utter sanctity, for God instituted the practice, not as a hedge against sin (as seen in the balance of Scripture) but because of a perfect relational choice!

    In that sense, marriage is akin to the gospel, in that it is instituted by God to point us to a greater reality that is "good news" as it points to our future with God, instituted at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, and to our future relational status, i.e., love at least at the level of and intimacy of marriage in all horizontal relationships.

    In that sense, I see God making no distinctions between "Christian" marriage and marriage in general, for the marriage points the way to God in the same way the gospel points the way to God (and of course, more!). What the Bible does forbid is the unequal yoking together in marriage, but even in that instance, it is better to remain married than to divorce.
     
  4. jbh28

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    I'm a little lost to the discussion. What is the point of the discussion? Let's say God doesn't honor marriages between two unsaved people. What does that even mean? What if they both get saved. Do they have to remarry now that they are believers?
     
  5. DaChaser1

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    think problem with this is that some like fal 'seem' to be indicating that God ONLY sees as being a valid marriage relationship as being between 2 Christians, and that non saved or mexed saved/unsaved, would not count as being legit!
     
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    If there is no difference then please explain the need to say that the lost person is sanctified by the saved person or their children would be unclean in the 1 Cor 7 passage.
     
  7. MB

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    If they weren't they wouldn't be LOST.
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  8. freeatlast

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    Sure they would be lost. Before the law was given men were lost.
    For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
     
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    The unsaved members of the family are sanctified by the believer in that they enjoy the blessings of God that He gives to the saved person.

    We see this principle in the OT when Abraham went to Egypt during the famine and the whole nation was blessed.
     
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    That is not what the text says. It says the child would be unclean if there was not one saved person.
     
  11. Amy.G

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    What does that mean exactly? Are children of unsaved parents loved less by God? What does it mean for them to be unclean?
     
  12. freeatlast

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    Here is what the Greek word mean;
    ) not cleansed, unclean
    a) in a ceremonial sense: that which must be abstained from according to the levitical law
    b) in a moral sense: unclean in thought and life

    What we know is there is a difference in the marriage between two people who are lost and where there is at least one parent who is not based on that text. All marriages are not equal in the sight of God. So in regards to the OP no God does not honor all marriages. He accepts they are married but the marriage of the lost is not held in the same light as where there is at least one saved person, the proof is the children based on scripture.
     
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    So what does "unclean children" mean in an everyday sense?
     
  14. freeatlast

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    Scripture does not say as far as I know. All I know is that there is a difference and that marriage is not the same between two lost people as it is between two saved people or even if only one is a Christian. Lastly I would say that even though the children of a marriage are holy (sanctified) according to scripture even if there is only one saved person that is not justification to marry a lost person as the marriage is still born out of sin.
     
  15. DaChaser1

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    again, scripture here is speaking to two different issues!

    The Lord gave marriage to man in general, not JUST to His "Covenant people", so that all marriages would be equally valid and honored by Him in the sense of the 2 having a relationship valid to Him...

    NOW there are also marriages that have Him directly involved in them, as the people ARE in Covenant relationship with him through jesus Christ,,,

    THOSE marriages need to be asdministered by the principles in the Bible, the unsaved would be just as valid a marriage, but NOT in covenant relationship to God in it as saved would be!

    I take the wife sauntifying the children in the sense that there is the presense of God in and through her influencing family, and the Lord sees that involved there!

    God DOES see children as people regardless IF parents saved or not, just that IF parents saved, that He has a direct influence in teh Home!
     
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    No place does scripture teach what you just said. You are adding to the word of God.
     
  17. DaChaser1

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    God created the istitution of marriage
    ALL who get in that relationship seen as being married by God, would be legitmently husband/wife
    God has also Christians who need to heed and obey His rules for JUST them in it
    God sees all children from legal weddings as "legit"

    Saved parent influence their children, believing wife her husband

    ALL in Bible!
     
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    Not according to scripture.
    1Cor 7
     
  19. DaChaser1

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    More accurate to say that not per YOUR interpretation of the passage!
     
  20. freeatlast

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    And you have no passage and just make up what you believe.
     
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