Featured Does God Learn?

"No, and those who believe He learns hold on the heresy
No, those who believe He does are just wrong "

What's the difference between 'heresy' and being 'just wrong'? Is one supposed to be worse than the other? Does 'heresy' mean you're bound for hell, 'just wrong' bound for heaven?

 

,

Those are good...and true.

Now how about all those with test, repent, relent, search, etc that are equally true?,,,,

 

1 John 3:20 in context is speaking of the heart of a believer. It is saying God knows the heart. Nevertheless, the scriptures repeatedly say that God searches the heart.

1 Chr 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

Your method of interpretation is to start with your presupposition, and then interpret scripture to agree with it, and deny or misinterpret all scripture that disagrees with your presupposition. Not a good method.

God is no fool, God understands language, and God understands the definitions of words. If God says he searches the heart, then that is what he does.

 

Post the verses that contain those words and we'll look at them.

All scripture is true, but you can't believe God knows everything and at the same time believe He learns stuff. That makes no sense.

 

I'll Have to....

....wait and ask Him that in person.....:smilewinkgrin:

 

Us making sense of something does not equate to it being true. Jesus being both fully God and man doesn't make sense. Giving His life for His creation makes no sense. God being both one and three persons makes no sense. Walking on water makes no sense. Why blindly accept those via faith...but needing this particular topic to "make sense"?

 

Thats a false dichotomy, hence no problem.

 

What? The fact that God put Abraham to a test does not mean he did not search his heart, I would say the test was the very method he used to search his heart.

This does not present a problem to me at all. What is a problem, is that if God knows everything, why would a test be necessary?

See, you guys present God as some sort of confused person who doesn't understand what he is saying. When God told Abraham "now I know that thou fearest God" he was confused or forgetful. The only other option would be that God lied.

You guys can call me a heretic all you want, I am going to believe what God said. I don't think God was confused or forgetful, and I know God cannot lie or be misleading. God knows what he is saying, and he means what he says.

What a joke, if a person believes what God said he is called a heretic! You guys really aren't thinking about what you are saying.

 

False dichotomies pose no problems :laugh:

that is why it is called a debate fallacy.

 

Never said that God doesn't search the heart. And you are right, if God "says" it he means it. But he never said he doesn't know. And I John says "everything" not "somethings." the reason God knows the heart is because he knows "everything." And there are many other passages that says that God knows everything.

 

No, we present God as the Bible does and that's that He has ALL knowledge and is eternal. There was no lie. God didn't say that he didn't know the result of the test before giving the test. Again, more reading into the text.

Correct and God NEVER said he doesn't know something. So you are not believing what God said. He never said he doesn't know something. He never said he doesn't know something....

Actually, you are not believing what God said. There are 0 verses that say that God does NOT know something. 0 , not a one. You are making God something less that the Bible teaches.

 

Reality is you do not know what a false dichotomy is. Putting someone to the test and searching their heart are not at odds with each other as you claim.

I explained "my claim" throughout this thread.

Answer these questions.

Is Jesus fully God?
IS jesus fully man?
Did Jesus learn anything?

"your honor, no further questions".

 

Yes, he did.

Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

When God said NOW I know, it is naturally understood that he did not know before.

But this is not the only instance of God saying he knows, or would know something in time.

Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

And I just showed you Gen 18:21 where God said he would go down NOW to Sodom to SEE if they had done according to the cry he heard, and if not, he would know. God is saying he would not know until he went down to see for himself.

Nonsense, I just showed you scripture where God said he did not know if Sodom was indeed doing according to the cry he heard, and would go down in person and see.

Your debate is not with me, it is with the word of God.

 

Naturally if we were speaking of mortal humans. And then again, not really. I can put you to a test to let you prove to me you can do something. That doesn't mean that I didn't know what you would do already. Now for me personally, I wouldn't because I don't ahve all knowledge like God.

Isn't God omnipresent? Why would he have to go down..... think about that and it may clue you in on your error.

Winman, it doesn't say that before he didn't. You are making an unbiblical assumption based on reading the passage incorrectly. Of course now God knows because Abraham proved himself through his work. But that does NOT mean that God didn't know ahead of time. How could God possibly not know? Isn't God eternal. Or is God locked in time and didn't know the event? Again, the Bible NEVER says that God doesn't know something.

So not only do you not have a Bible verse that says that God doesn't know something, you have many problems with all the passages that says that God is all knowing.

 

The poll shows at least 3 heretics on the Board!

 

It actually shows 3 that have not brought the 1st century heresy into the 21st century as you and many others have.