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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by SaggyWoman, Dec 15, 2005.
He doesn't need one, but He chose to have one for our sake.
couldn't we then ask "does God need a Son"?
If God had a mother, I should be greatly troubled about Whom I received salvation from, and Whom I have been worshipping all these years.
I think many greatly confused the fact that Jesus was born of Mary. She was the vehicle to carry the Christ-child into this world. If one says they understand that God-Man image of Jesus, the Christ, I shall walk away in amazement. I fear we just have to accept wot scripture clearly teaches about it and leave it there.
Cheers, my ten bob thought anyway,
That's pretty reasonable.
Not another Mother of God thread! LOL
#1. Does God every "SAY" "I chose to have a Mother"?? No!
#2. Does God ever "SAY" "Mary is God's Mother"?? No!
#3. Does ANY BIBLE WRITER EVER SAY "Mary is God's Mother?" YES!!
#4. Do BAPTISTS (and every other Christian group known to mankind) SAY that "MARY is the Mother of Jesus" ?? YES!!
Folks - this just isn't that hard to get.
The pre-incarnat Son of God was INCARNATED as Christ he was not PROCREATED - so no "MOTHER OF GOD" title appears in all of scripture nor in any Baptist doctrinal statements. The ONLY place you find it is in Catholic derived dogma.
Bob, Which Bible writer ever say "Mary is God's Mother" ?
I have never found such wordings! It should be NO--OOOOOO!
But if Jesus was God and Mary was his Mother, then Mary was the mother of the Second Person of the Trinity who was God, was she not?
She's not the mother of God the Father. She did not exist before him. But He in his infinite wisdom chose to be born of him.
Elizabeth calls Mary "The Mother of my Lord" in the first chapter of Luke. Jesus is "my Lord and my God". They are inseperable. Therefore Mary is the mother of God.
I don't think Lord and God always carry the same meaning. You are placing a lot of faith on a single verse.
...and God consists of:
God the Father
God the Son
The problem with that line of thinking (if Jesus is God, and Mary is Jesus' mother, then....) is the above. If Mary is not the mother of God the Father...you have just split up the Trinity into individuals not conjoined by calling her mother of God, which Mary cannot be. Mary was the mother of "the Word became Flesh" (human, in a perishable human body).
So is our Lord our God or not?
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Acts 20:28)
When did God bleed except in the person of Christ who from the beginning "was with god and was god" (JOhn 1)?
God the Son is the second person of the trinity. Mary is the mother of God the Son; who is God. Mary is the mother of God for the Son IS god.
Side note: where can the word "trinity" be found in the scriptures?
It’s not found but the idea is. I saw on the Discovery channel I believe it was that not all the early churches believed in a “trinity” and that a Council had to convene to discuss and decide upon what stance to take in regard to the “trinity”. I believe the dispute was with the Holy Spirit being apart of the God Head.
Any truth to this, anyone…anyone…
No way around that simple fact
No Bible writer said "God has a mother"
No Bible writer calls Mary "The Mother of God".
To do so would apply "procreation terms" specifically to the God-attributes of Christ. It would specifically violate one of His God-attributes which is His "eternal pre-existence" and the fact that He was incarnated not procreated
No Bible writer calls Joseph "The Teacher of God" or "God's teacher".
Doing so violates a SPECIFIC God attribute of God the Son - His omniscience.
To go ahead and use these terms for Joseph and/or for Mary is to "Go BEYOND what is written" and slap a lot of "good ideas and good excuses" around why you want to do that.
And the result is "Worship at Mary's altars" along with the torment of Christians during the dark ages as documented in Fox's book of Martyrs in specific cases where Christians refused Mariolotry.
Doesn't Luke 1:43 come pretty close, though?
Luke 1:43 "And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"
Lord="Kyrios"=God is another legitimate translation of the Greek here (check Strong's)
Bob, no one is saying Mary was the origin of God.
But your posts are interesting, especially when you start playing the Mariolatry game - should we start talking about Ellen Whitolatry? BTW, about "teacher" and "His omniscience", Ellen White called Mary his teacher (Desire of Ages, pg. 70). If you don't like the thought of Joseph teaching him because he was God, then how did Mary teach him, if he was God?
To have "VICTORY OVER SIN", one must have a "CONFRONTATION WITH SIN".
1. God is a "SPIRIT", Jesus was Flesh.
2. God can't be tempted with sin, Jesus was.
3. God can't die/resurrected, Jesus did.
Jesus was "FULLY HUMAN" in that he suffered all a human suffers "IN THE FLESH",
But "FULLY GOD" in remaining "SINLESS", since "all have sinned" and only God is "SINLESS".
This "GOD/HUMAN" relationship is explained by the "SPIRIT" being responsible for his "Conception", and "MARY" (human) for his "Flesh".
Certainly the Bible writers said no such thing.
And as pointed out in the case of "Joseph TEACHER OF GOD" the REASON that we don't see people falling on their swords to promote that title is that it conveys error not truth!!
It attacks Christ IN one of His God-attributes "omniscience".
Just as "Mary Mother of God" attacks the deity of Christ specifically in the attribute of "eternal pre-existence".
Instead of honoring the INCARNATION of God the Son it seeks to recast God into PROCREATION terms "MAry mother of GOD"...
The predictable result was "Worship at Mary's altars" -- Mariolotry!
Close -- but "no cigar".
If the RCC had been content to just LEAVE IT at the Luke 1:43 statement we would not be seeing THEM talk about "gathering to Mary's altars to worship".