Does it matter?

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  1. computerjunkie

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    Please allow me to digress from the "great debate" for a moment and ask a question! [​IMG]

    I have watched some of the endless discussions/debates going on here (and on other boards) between KJVO's versus other translations. And then I see debates about which VERSION of KJV is the best.

    WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? IF YOU ARE SAVED, WILL WHICH BIBLE VERSION YOU USE AFFECT WHERE YOU SPEND ETERNITY?

    Let's say, like me, you are NOT a Bible scholar and you do not read (nor have you studied) Greek and Hebrew languages. What difference does it make as to what version of God's Word you read and understand?

    Just so we're clear, I was raised on KJV because that was just what we read years ago. A lot of my scripture memory is from KJV. But in today's culture, it is probably difficult, at best, to understand. My pastor uses NIV from the pulpit and our pew Bibles are NIV. He feels that is an easy translation to understand. Our Sunday School classes use NIV in an effort to be consistent, churchwide. Another pastor at my church thinks The Message is great to read for devotional time.

    I would think NIV, or any other translation for that matter, must be OK because people are getting saved in my church and we read from NIV. So...what exactly is the problem with translations other than KJV? Please don't debate it here as there are many other threads in which to debate it. I am asking a serious question. I honestly don't understand what the deal is with KJVO-ism.

    Thanks for your patience with me!
    CJ
     
  2. Trotter

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    ARGH!!! YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!!

    I was just about to start a thread on this bery thing. They say grat minds think alike, so I guess twisted ones do too...

    As I have said before, I love the KJV, but it is not my only choice. I usually preach from the NKJV, but I read the KJV, NKJV, NASB, Amplified, NIV, ASB. I have not studied Greek or Hebrew (yet), so I like to see the Scriptures from multiple angles to get a really good look at what I am reading/studying.

    I have an interlinear NT that I refer to at times, but it's Greek to me (pun intended :D ). By actually seeing how the Greek is laid out (totally different sentence structure, if you would call it structure), you really begin to appreciate all the work that goes into our various translations.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    Here is a similar topic from April 2003 (furtherest back i can go)
    http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000787

    Here is a similar topic from April 2003
    http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000811

    Here is a similar topic started in June 2003
    http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000889

    Here is a similar topic started in June 2003
    http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000910

    I'm seeing a pattern here.
    2 of these type topics each 2 months.

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    What ever happend to the PRIME DIRECTIVE
    OF BULLETIN BOARDS?
    You know: read before posting

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  4. computerjunkie

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    Thanks, Trotter! That makes two of us at least! And I would like to think we're great minds, not twisted ones, but I guess time will tell... [​IMG]

    I have begun to really like NASB for my study times. I have Bible software on my computer and when I use it, I usually have several translations open at the same time to see how they word the same truth. I have really enjoyed studying that way.
     
  5. computerjunkie

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    Gee...sorry, Ed. I didn't take the time to look back 3-6 months to see what had already been discussed. By now, there are probably lots of new posters anyway, so it never hurts to get a new look at something.

    Besides...you should be celebrating your birthday today, not spending time researching old posts!!! :D
     
  6. dianetavegia

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    I love my NKJV. Also, many people don't know that if you go to the drop down box above you can click on show all topics and see topics from a year or so ago instead of just weeks.

    Diane
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    Thanks for your
    concern. But, really, how can one
    get celebratory about 60 :confused:
     
  8. dianetavegia

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    Ed! Consider the alternative!

    Happy Birthday again!
    Diane
     
  9. computerjunkie

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    I know about that feature, Diane, but I simply did not take the time. Personally, I don't enjoy reading threads that are several months old as a lot of the posters don't post here anymore. I like to see what the CURRENT posters think! [​IMG]

    A moderator may feel free to delete this topic if it's a problem.

    Thanks
    CJ
     
  10. computerjunkie

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    Didn't you eat one of the celebratory donuts? (I know Blackbird ate 59 of them, so there should have been one for you!!) :D
     
  11. Taufgesinnter

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    They better've been Krispy Kremes. Otherwise, they're not celebratory.
     
  12. BrianT

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    Yeah - we *never* see the same topic posted on this forum. Ever. :D :rolleyes: :D
     
  13. Ed Edwards

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    Yeah - we *never* see the same topic posted on this forum. Ever. :D :rolleyes: :D </font>[/QUOTE]Can we just
    use the 12 "F" keys (F1-F12) to
    post canned replies?
    I'm sure a dozen replies would depleat
    the resources of 99% of the KJBOs [​IMG]
    (Somehow reading a comic just isn't as
    complete a training as seminary)

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  14. dianetavegia

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    Laurenda just mentioned this two days or so ago how we go in cycles. Modesty and clothing issues, divorce, pet sins.... I don't remember her exact list but it's SO true. But maybe someone new has arrived that needs to talk about it.

    Diane
     
  15. HankD

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    The only quarrel I would have is the manuscript support of the MVs. Most MV's do not use the TR (Scrivener).

    My preference (almost my conviction) is the TR.

    But, frankly some of the MV's (NASB for instance) are better in terms of translation than the KJV.

    So I use the KJV/TR then the MV's in the spirit of the KJV translators that they are all the "Word of God" even "the meanest" of them and are profitable to find out "the sense" of the Scriptures.

    HankD
     
  16. amixedupmom

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    I love my BIBLE'S. (notice the period) [​IMG]
     
  17. Wisdom Seeker

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    I read my name. [​IMG]

    I think that sometimes people who've been members here for a long time, get tired of reading the same topics. So they mention it. I don't think they intentionally mean to make anyone feel bad about posting what they feel is repetative.

    And I would like to say what has been said to me a number of times when I complained about a thread here on this site. "If you don't like a topic, don't read it." (I don't actually like it when Dr. B. says that to me, but he does have a point)

    So to get back on topic. To some people it matters a great deal. And to some people it doesn't matter at all. There are various reasons for this. Would you like to discuss those reasons now. [​IMG]

    [ September 26, 2003, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Wisdom Seeker ]
     
  18. computerjunkie

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    Thank you, Laurenda.

    Yes, I would like to know the reasons you think it matters to some and doesn't matter to others.

    If anyone does NOT want to read what Laurenda has to say, please close your eyes. [​IMG]
     
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    What I have to say? Oh great...pressure. [​IMG]
    Okay, first of all salvation has little to do with Bible versions but the acceptance of Jesus Christ's gift of salvation. I know of people on this site that didn't even use a Bible to show someone their need to accept Christ. So to your question, no, it doesn't matter for salvation or where a person will spend eternity. I doubt anyone would think that an unsaved person's choice of Bible would hinder their accepting Christ if God showed them that need.

    As to your other question:

    For some, the KJV is the only correct version for English speaking people to read or hear God's word from. Because it was translated from a text that came from a source that is considered by many to be more correct, or have less errors. And therefore be more miraculous in origin than what is considered a corrupt text source that all the other versions are said to be translated from.

    For some others, the other versions are easier for them to understand, and so the difference in sometimes subtle inference of meaning because of the translation from another set of texts which some believe had more error, but was older in origin.... is either fine with them, or they don't know about it. Some even believe that this is just something that a group of people made up for some reason.

    I was saved by answering an alter call. Not by reading the Bible. The first Bible I read was the Living Bible. I've also used the NIV. I only use the KJV now. For the reasons that I've studied out for myself. But I think this is a personal decision. I know why I use it. But that doesn't disprove God working in me before I could stand to read the KJV language. When I was newly saved I was a young teenager. If someone told me at that time that I wasn't saved unless I was saved with the KJV...well..... Let me put it this way...that wouldn't have flown. I know I was saved. And I wasn't saved with any version of the Bible but the Lord plucking my heart strings in a church service. ;)
     
  20. Clint Kritzer

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    Bible version has nothing to do with true salvation but I do consider Bible study an important part of the Christian walk.

    I do prefer certain versions for various purposes. I think the elegance of the KJV is quite fitting for funerals or formal writing. I like the conservative scholarship represented in the NIV study notes. I like the tedious accuracy of the ESV and NASB.

    One version I am NOT fond of is the Living Bible. The concept at the time was good - to bring the ancient text to a readable form. However, the authors took some very serious liberty with the literary construction of their sources. For example, one of the most prominent features of Esther is that God is never mentioned directly. Yet the Living Bible takes the liberty of using His name in Esther 4:14. It destroys an important element of the story and negates the original (human) author's intent. Writing Esther without the mention of God is kind of like writing an English paragraph without the letter "e". [​IMG]

    The Scriptures, however, are explicit that a knowledge of the Scriptures is not necessary for salvation.

     

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