Does Salvation.....

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    I don't remember the woman's name, but on the Catholic channel in my town, an elderly nun was teaching. She told her audience that salvation always resulted in a love for Mary. I just can't pick her name out, but she is a very gentle speaker, and she has to be at least 70 years old. Maybe you can help me with the name.

    Now how long after you were saved did you start to look to Mary, in any sort of matter of faith ? Was it immediate, or did you have to be discipled into it ?
     
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    What Catholic Channel? EWTN?

    Keep in mind that not everyone here is a cradle Catholic...many of us converted out of other denominations. Also the concept of 'being saved' can differ in meaning.

    However...I myself grew to look at Mary as an intercessor years after I converted to the CC...definately I wasn't taught or pushed that I should....it wasn't a matter of discipline....but a matter of my walk with God and faith....a natural progression.


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    Curtis, why did you spin this from "love for Mary" to "look to Mary in matter of faith"?

    Do you deny that a love of Jesus would also include some degree of love for His mother?

    Or does your lack of love for your Catholic brothers superceed that?
     
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    OK, so with you it was gradual. Were you prompted by somebody to look to her, or did it come to you in another way ? Like thru a verse in the Bible, ?

    Just asking....
     
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    Ron, I didn't spin anything. If you don't want to answer, then don't.

    I have made my feelings about Mary quite evident. I am asking you, or anyone else who will address this, when Mary came into their walk with God.
     
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    Curtis, you very clearly said, "She told her audience that salvation always resulted in a love for Mary."

    Your question however was, "Now how long after you were saved did you start to look to Mary, in any sort of matter of faith ?"

    I call that spin.

    I recall having warm feelings for the Mother of God at a very early age. Before the first or second grade. I remember feeling sad that there was no room at the inn for her.

    Now, could you please tell me, would a love for Jesus also not include some degree of love for His mother?
     
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    I'm not going to address my feelings about Mary. You allready know them.

    Now before this degenerates into ugliness, would you allow some others to answer the original question ? It's just FYI for me.

    And these warm feelings that you recall, did they just come to you, or were they the result of some teachings, or sermon you heard ?
     
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    Actually, I don't.

    Hence my question.

    Doesn't a love for Jesus also include some degree of love for His mother?
     
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    Just came to me, just as the love for my own mother came to me.

    Quick question, do you believe that Jesus loved Mary as a son loves a mother?

    If Jesus judged her to be worthy of such love, what mere person would dare judge her to be not worthy of our love also?

    Are we above Jesus? Is our love superior to the love of Jesus that it should be withheld from Mary?
     
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    Did you miss my question about which Catholic channel?

    No I wasn't promopted at all. Marian devotions are optional afterall. I was actually very resistant to Marian devotions for years.

    I don't know that there was a defining moment...it was a gradual awareness and as I started looking at various teachings of the Church, the early Church etc As I desired to be closer to God it became made aware to me the place Mary holds and her uniqueness to God and the Son. This included alot of prayer and reading the Bible as well.


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    If it was EWTN, it was likely Mother Angelica. Lovely lady, and I've had the opportunity to visit the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament in Hanceville, AL (where her convent is) several times. A very beautiful, tranquil place to just be with God.

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    Two things. I stand with the others that you DID spin her words, because having love for someone does not mean "looking to her in any sort of matter of faith." Those are not the same things, and I don't know why you refuse to just admit that you slipped up a little. It's no big deal, and would be much less big if you'd just admit it.

    Secondly, Mary was also a big obstacle for me, simply because my previous faith showed little to no regard for her. However, long before I became Catholic, I do vaguely remember as seeing her as a bit mysterious (not in a bad way), just in that this was a woman who raised God Himself up from infancy to adulthood. That really blows my mind.

    As my faith has increased, my understanding of Mary's role in salvation history has increased, but like the others, it was NEVER pushed on me. At RCIA, we had one evening where we talked about Mary, and people asked all the questions they wanted, etc., but a devotion developed on its own, slowly, and was definitely an internal, not external, movement.
     
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    John 19:26
    When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He *said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!"

    John 19:27
    Then He *said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" From that hour the disciple took her into his own household.


    Since I was very small it always made sense that Jesus Christ gave me his mother as my own. “Behold, your mother!” and “Woman, behold, your son!” All disciples of the lord have Christ’s own mother as their own. Jesus Christ is my Lord and my brother , his mother is my own. His brothers and sisters are my brothers and sisters. It is that simple and always has been for me. If Jesus mearly wanted His mother cared for by John, he could have said so. He made his disciple his mother’s son and his true brother. To say otherwise is to say Jesus didn't really mean what He said.

    God Bless
     
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    Brother Curtis,

    Mother Angelica . . .
     
  14. Bro. Curtis

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    Mother Angelica... Thank you.

    Also, any spin was not intended by me. I think you guys are too sensitive, and look for things to get angry about.

    But my post has been answered. Each person told me they had to be prompted about her. The Holy Sprit did not instill the thoughts of Mary, but tradition told them.

    That's what I was asking.
     
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    Roman Catholics get upset about anything being said about THEIR church because they believe that Christ placed a man in charge of THEIR church and that men and not Christ defend THEIR church. I believe Christ takes care of HIS CHURCH and HIS CHURCH doesn't need to defend itself...
     
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    Bro. Curtis
    You ignored my post. The Holy Spirit has always confirmed in my heart that Mary is my mother if Jesus Christ is truly my brother. Holy Scripture ( see my above post) and the Church both taught me this. However, Jesus was my brother and Mary was my mother before I could read. The Holy Spirit confirms this for me every day of my life.

    God Bless
     
  17. LaRae

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    Excuse me but you must of misread what I said. I was not 'prompted' by any human person.

    I will know next time to not answer your questions if you are going to twist what has been said to fit your preconceived answer.


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  18. LaRae

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    You ignored my post. The Holy Spirit has always confirmed in my heart that Mary is my mother if Jesus Christ is truly my brother. Holy Scripture ( see my above post) and the Church both taught me this. However, Jesus was my brother and Mary was my mother before I could read. The Holy Spirit confirms this for me every day of my life.

    God Bless
    </font>[/QUOTE]It has been made clear that Curtis has no real desire to 'listen' to what we have to say if it doesn't fit into his 'box' of what he wants to be true.


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  19. Bro. Curtis

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    Oh brother...

    You yourself said that it didn't come to you right away, but over a period of time.

    I'm not debating anything here, I'm just wondering how many folks here would venerate Mary, if they hadn't have been taught to.
     
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    Bro. Curtis,

    I hesitate to stick my nose into this thread, but I've gotta say, I don't see how you can read "No, I wasn't prompted at all" (LaRae's post) or "Just came to me, just as the love for my own mother came to me." (Trying's post) and somehow take from that your statement: "Each person told me they had to be prompted about her."

    I just don't see it, honestly.

    Mark H.
     

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