I don't want to hijack my own thread so I am starting a new one. I really don't understand why the concept of a universal church is so hard to grasp. A few weeks ago I was unable to attend my normal, Baptist church so we visited an Orhodox Presbyterian church that is a few miles away. We of course do not agree on baptism but it was wonderful to worship with this group of fellow believers. Oh, and at the end of the service they had a communion service and we were welcome to participate (we have visited this church before and they do know us there) The point is that they recognized us, even as baptist as part of the same Church. If you do not believe that all believers are part of one true church, what DO you believe about the church? "Matt. 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. " And what does that verse refer to if there is no "Church" singular?