Does the Lord Send True revival In Response to our prayers?

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  1. DaChaser1

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    can He move in a mighty fashion in America as He did during the "Great Awakining?" Does He move in response to His people crying out to have Him move, or is it a Soveregin timing act of Grace?
     
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    Personally, I think it is both.

    Most certainly Scriptures teach that God does respond to the prayers of His child, or there would be very little reason to pray.

    America is a failing nation. The sins of the country have stacked so deep that God will bring rebuke. I know some who would consider America as a type of Babylon just waiting to be destroyed in a day's time, and ships passing by with the captains morning about how great a place it once was.

    However, when it seems so bleak and when persecution comes, that is also when great revival may break out. The underground church is not made up of those who are fakers.

    It will not be the great preachers and theological institutions that "save" the country but the little lights along the shore that show the way and light the dock that the storm tossed seaman might be rescued.

    Not many will notice a light in a brightly lite room, they are too busy looking at the attractions and decorations. But when the storm comes, and the lights don't work, a little candle is a welcome sight and most folks will stare at it for great lengths of time.

    The most important light in a home is not the great chandelier that hangs prominently in the room, but the little night lite that lights the way and keeps you from stubbing your toe in the dark. (revised from Dr. Bob Jones Sr.)​
     
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    does God raise up leaders to led the movements, or does he start the Movements, and leaders follow/rise up from the ranks?
     
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    It is both. At the core it is God's grace at work. He chooses to work through people to accomplish many aspects of His will. We see that in His appointing Adam to his work, calling and covenanting with Abraham, calling Moses, calling Samuel and Isaiah, and the Apostles in the Gospels.

    He calls us to obedience, and He enables us to be obedient.
     
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    Perhaps we should define "revival". Some consider it an evangelistic movement while others believe it to be a "getting right with God" movement among believers. I am interested in knowing how BB members think it is defined according to God's Word.
     
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    It seems to me that the context of the OP would be defining revival as "getting right with God". This involves remembering who God is and living in response to that as His obedient children.

    One of the great example is during the days of Nehemiah. They found "the book" and as the people learned why they had been exiled they repented. The Scriptures were read and explained and the people would repent and worship and come back for me instruction. So long as this was the pattern they did well...when they stopped, well, you know how it goes. The same thing is true in our own lives.
     
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    I believe is more then just prayers. We must humble ourselves and truly seek His face, turning from our unbelief of not believing what is written to mean what it says and changing His words to mean what we want it to mean or just rejecting or ignoring them all together.

    2Cron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
     
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    I'm with the opinion that God raises up leaders who lead what He ordains. That is the scriptural picture.

    He can cause someone who has no clue what comes next to be burdened with prayer for something He wishes to accomplish, then to prove that He is faithful, He accomplishes it so that He gets the glory and others get involved in the kingdom, just as He planned.

    So, do we pray in revival or does God send revival then we pray? Yes.
     
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    Why would a Calvinist that believes the elect are prechosen before birth even be concerned with this?

    Revival or no revival, what difference would it make in who goes to heaven?

    If the non-elect cannot be saved, then what good is a revival?

    John
     
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    I believe revival is both the saints getting right with God and an outpouring of souls being saved.

    I believe it is sent by God.

    And I believe there are things we can do to cooperate with God.

    But that said, I don't believe He will send us a great revival in this country right now because we are toooo busy doing our various man made programs to bring revival.

    When we hush up and listen rather than think we can do it, He probably will.

    And not before.
     
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    WHY even preach and teach about jesus death on the Cross for sins, as the elect get saved regardless by God?

    THAT view is Hyper Cal/primitive Baptist!

    NOT what is commonly called calvinism here on BB!
     
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    Based on my limited knowledge of Scripture, Jesus ask us to pray for workers because the fields are white and made no mention of praying for the lost. The only time praying for the lost is mentioned in the NT is when Paul says, "I pray that Israel be saved".
     
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    Have to ask Jonathan Edwards, one of the chief players in a huge national revival about that.

    He was Calvinistic beyond what many here are...

    Oh, and the actual answer to your (probably rhetorical) questions is that "election does not equal salvation." But of course, being an astute student of theological doctrine, you already knew that.
     
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    maybe our friend thinks all baptists here posting are "Primitive baptists?" as he tends to see all of us saying that!

    Weren't cal pastors/preachers actually recorded as being used by god in the so called 'great Awakening?"

    Did they all miss the memo that Gid saves apart from the Gospel being taught and preached?
     
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    From the Biography of Jonathan Edwards:

    As a youth, Edwards was unable to accept the Calvinist sovereignty of God. He once wrote, "From my childhood up my mind had been full of objections against the doctrine of God's sovereignty… It used to appear like a horrible doctrine to me." However, in 1721 he came to the conviction, one he called a "delightful conviction." He was meditating on 1 Timothy 1:17, and later remarked, "As I read the words, there came into my soul, and was as it were diffused through it, a sense of the glory of the Divine Being; a new sense, quite different from any thing I ever experienced before… I thought with myself, how excellent a Being that was, and how happy I should be, if I might enjoy that God, and be rapt up to him in heaven; and be as it were swallowed up in him for ever!" From that point on, Edwards delighted in the sovereignty of God. Edwards later recognized this as his conversion to Christ.
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    Solomon Stoddard died on February 11th, 1729, leaving to his grandson the difficult task of the sole ministerial charge of one of the largest and wealthiest congregations in the colony. Throughout his time in Northampton his preaching brought remarkable religious revivals. Jonathan Edwards was a key figure in what has come to be called the First Great Awakening of the 1730s and 1740s.


    Some of the causes and effects of the First Great Awakening:


    Revivalism crossed the Atlantic Ocean to the American colonies through the likes of Whitefield, who came to Boston in 1740. His arrival was welcomed by the likes of Thomas Foxcroft, who was concerned with the cold rationalism of the day and was pleased with the Whitefield’s counter-message. Regarding Whitefield, Foxcroft said in a sermon, “We have in a fresh Instance seen this Pauline Spirit and Doctrine remarkably exemplify’d among us. We have seen a Preacher of Righteousness, fervent in Spirit, teaching diligently the Things of the Lord.”

    Whitefield’s arrival in itself was not without much fanfare. In 1739, newspapers in New England carried stories of the crowds that would gather in England to hear him, and about his novel preaching style. Whitefield was known to give sermons outside, in fields and on streets, on a tree stump or on even while on a horse. New Englanders were eagerly awaiting the arrival of this pious man so that by the time he arrived in Newport, he was received “as the apostle St. Paul was received by the churches of Galatia…”.

    What Whitefield discovered in the New World was a religious condition somewhat better than in England, but still lacking. Ministers did not have knowledge of Christ.

    Students at Yale and Harvard were reading from the likes of John Tillotson and Samuel Clarke, authors who were concerned more with philosophical and moral religion rather than “essential Christian doctrine”. Although the faculty at these two schools eventually opposed the revivalism sweeping through New England, the movement would eventually garner enough support to establish a school all its own in 1741, which they called Princeton.

    Around the same time in America the Great Awakening developed as a theology of “total dependence” on the transformative emanations of the Holy Spirit under Jonathan Edwards. Edwards argued that Lockean “sense impressions” of most importance were those which saw and felt God, since they affected human growth. Confronting his congregation, he pitted two images – images of “Sinners in the hands of an angry God” against those of “the divine and supernatural light”. The result of such sermons during the 1730s brought society in the Connecticut Valley to remarkable conversion and interior reflection. This revivalist sentiment spread throughout New England in different degrees throughout the decade, with another resurgence or zeal occurring in 1742-1743.
     
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    Why does every thread have to devolve into a calvinist/arminian/whatever debate? That's where I generally lose interest.
     
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    IF you check the various OP, it usually starts to roll whenever a person calls the other side "stupid/heretics/not really saved etc!"
     

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