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Does the NKJV Follow the TR Texts?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Dr. Bob, Aug 25, 2004.

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  1. Askjo

    Askjo New Member

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    Apparently not in the case of Mark 13:6 & Luke 21:8. OT tried to make the case that the NKJV is wrong because it leaves out Christ while the KJV adds Christ (in italics). The TR does not have the word Christ in these two verses. Tell me how did the NKJV mess up? </font>[/QUOTE]What do you know about the italics?
     
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  2. Askjo

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    Where did the NKJV get its 40% non-TR words? </font>[/QUOTE]I have not heard this assertion before. Could you provide a link or a source so that I might check it out myself? </font>[/QUOTE]Sure, I will answer you in PM.
     
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  3. Dr. Bob

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    Just checked my TR. It follows the paper trail from Erasmus' 3rd edition to the AV1611. It is for all practical purposes identical.

    And the TR text does not have the Greek word "sober" either.

    I've come back here and see some confusion with the 40% statistic.

    The NKJV changes AV ENGLISH words to OTHER ENGLISH words. That is a given, duh.

    But they use the identical Greek text.

    Now, how can that be? How can they be different 40% of the time? It's because for most Greek words or phrases there are 3-4-5 different English words that may LEGITIMATELY be used.

    Look at your AV1611 - mine has hundreds of marginal notes giving alternative translations. Sadly, it was at a later time that these were mysteriously omitted from KJV revisions and now people think only the EXACT WORDS in the latest KJV revision are the only accurate ones.

    May it not be so.

    Oops. God forbid.
     
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  4. Bro Tony

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    I know what italics mean. I am not the one who brought this up and said the NKJV got it wrong. That was OT and you agreed with him. Either the italics are inspired, which is what you all seem to be saying, or the NKJV did not get anything wrong by not placing "Christ" in the verse. You guys cannot have it both ways. You are the ones who originally pointed this out, I am stating that it does not hold water. Do you have an explanation or are you going to continue to answer my question with a question?

    Bro Tony
     
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  5. DeclareHim

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    The sentence you left off of my quote answered this question. Here it is again.
    Note to Ed Edwards:
    You said, "---603 - The footno[t]es are not scripture in the KJV but are scripture in the nKJV."

    Would you please explain to me how you arrived at this conclusion from my posts that you quote.     </font>[/QUOTE]So you are getting caught up over footnotes. :rolleyes: Get over it people. Ever thought what if the KJV is not the only Word of God. What kind of trouble you guys might be in on judgement day. For wasting so much time telling everyone YOU are right.

    1cross+3nails=4given
     
    #65 DeclareHim, Aug 25, 2004
  6. Trotter

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    Askjo,

    Pastor_Bob is nott he only one who would like to know the sources of the statistics that you are so fond of throwing around.

    Or, are you afraid that we might see just how bogus they are?

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #66 Trotter, Aug 25, 2004
  7. Marcia

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    I'm waiting with you for the answer, too! :confused: This is the 3rd try for an answer from Bro Tony.

    Since no one is answering me on another thread, I am waiting for an answer to Bro Tony's question here. [Where is the "waiting" icon when you need one?]
     
    #67 Marcia, Aug 25, 2004
  8. David J

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    Please provide the evidence so that I can research this claim myself. I want to see where the NKJV excludes 40% of the TR. No spin please. List example and not the same old KJVO junk!

    If you can not list these examples then it must be another false claim.
     
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  9. Bro Tony

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    Well I am off to Wednesday evening prayer and Bible study. We are in the Book of Amos (great study). Maybe when I get back later this evening I will have an answer to my question. I doubt it so I will not hold my breath. Everyone have a great evening.

    Bro Tony
     
    #69 Bro Tony, Aug 25, 2004
  10. HankD

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    64 times?
    Gen. 3:24
    Exod. 25:18
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    Num. 7:89
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    1 Chr. 13:6
    1 Chr. 28:18
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    Heb. 9:5

    KJV Exodus 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

    NKJV Exodus 25:19 "Make one cherub at one end, and the other cherub at the other end; you shall make the cherubim at the two ends of it of one piece with the mercy seat.

    By the same token you feel the same way about Wescott and Hort.

    HankD
     
    #70 HankD, Aug 25, 2004
  11. Askjo

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    I struggled with some problems on this BB because they do not work with this BB. I quitted to struggle with them. Frustrate!
     
    #71 Askjo, Aug 25, 2004
  12. Trotter

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    Askjo,

    That made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    Care to translate?

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #72 Trotter, Aug 25, 2004
  13. Orvie

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    Yeah, that was more difficult than the real 1611.
     
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  14. Ransom

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    Pastor_Bob said:

    The sentence you left off of my quote answered this question. Here it is again.

    The point is, why are you worrying about the footnotes? According to the KJV-onlyists, the footnotes in the original KJV can tell us nothing about the text or the translators' textual choices, since they are merely the uninspired opinions of men having absolutely no significance whatsoever, forever and ever amen.

    Why should I think differently of any other footnotes?
     
    #74 Ransom, Aug 25, 2004
  15. Askjo

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    Wrong! That is not what I talked about.
     
    #75 Askjo, Aug 25, 2004
  16. Orvie

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    Wrong! That is not what I talked about. </font>[/QUOTE]no comprende
     
    #76 Orvie, Aug 25, 2004
  17. Orvie

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    Gone to 6 pages! gasp! :eek: we'll have to fire the Moderators, or at least reduce their pay. [​IMG]
     
    #77 Orvie, Aug 25, 2004
  18. HankD

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    Actually we are still somewhat on track.

    HankD
     
    #78 HankD, Aug 25, 2004
  19. Ed Edwards

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    The NKJV does follow the TR Texts.

    If only to upset KJVO#5s [​IMG]

    The NKJV had actual Baptist translators
    (the KJV had Baptist-baiter translators).
     
    #79 Ed Edwards, Aug 25, 2004
  20. Marcia

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    What does this mean? Please translate? :confused:
     
    #80 Marcia, Aug 25, 2004
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