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Does the swastika compare to the confederate flag in any way?

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  1. SaggyWoman

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    Does the Swastika compare to the confederate flag in any way?
     
  2. KenH

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    No. And anyway who says it does it either grossly ignorant or trying to start a posting fight.

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    No! The "Stars and Bars" belonged to a Nation who "face to face" attempted to seceed FROM another nation---the NAZI's wholeheartedly took OVER a nation that somehow was blinded by its(National Socialist reforms) falsehood!

    But both lost---one from within the nation it was trying to suceed from----and the other from the nations it was trying to take over!!

    I would dare say that the NAZI's Swat-stick-a represented a nation that blindedly embraced hatred---the Stars and Bars---I believe---honestly thought it would succeed at its sucession---without the front cover of hate as the NAZI's engaged in!

    No comparision between the two!
     
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    Both represent things about their respective countries we'd rather forget happened. But we shouldn't, so that they never happen again.
     
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    Yes, we should never forget the power grab that Abraham Lincoln accomplished for the federal government back in the 1860's. We see what has happened because of what was started back then. We have a massive federal debt and tens of trillions of dollars of unfunded federal liabilites that will start coming due in 2018 when Social Security goes into deficit financing.

    Yes, let us never forget the long term damage that Abraham Lincoln set in motion to our system of government and ultimately to our economy and our standard of living.

    And its the children and grandchildren of those of you posting on this board who will pay the heaviest price.
     
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    ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
     
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    I couldn't agree more!!! How could anyone compare the two??

    It was the grandfather of our current presedent that helped to fund the Nazi party...but no one seems to compare GWB to the Nazis....inconsistant
     
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    Dale--please supply sources to your accusation--"The grandfather of our current president that helped to fund the Nazi party . . ."

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    The question was
    The answer is yes.

    1 - Both represent national systems which no longer exist
    2 - Both represent the losing side in a major war
    3 - Both nations condoned a racist system, although the CSA veiled it as giving their member states the right to allow the suppresion of a race of people, whereas Nazi Germany condoned it as a nation.

    The motivation of the leaders was different, obvioulsy. As far as levels of violence - there was a huge difference, but the question was "in any way."

    And yes, for those who know me - I am from Alabama
     
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    I couldn't agree more!!! How could anyone compare the two??

    It was the grandfather of our current presedent that helped to fund the Nazi party...but no one seems to compare GWB to the Nazis....inconsistant
    </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, I have seen people on this very board who were supporting some Peroutka guy make that very comparison. I am sure if we looked in the archives of the Politics forum long enough we could find it. Yet another reason I knew the CP was wrong for this country.

    Joseph Botwinick

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    No. I don't think you can make a comparison. The Confederate Battle Flag was primarily about states rights, and secondarily represented the symbol of slavery, and even then, it is according to who you are talking to and their point of view. I don't think there is much controversy about what the Swastika represented: World domination, over 6 million Jews massacred. I don't find any moral equivalence between the two.
     
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    The answer is yes.

    1 - Both represent national systems which no longer exist
    2 - Both represent the losing side in a major war
    3 - Both nations condoned a racist system, although the CSA veiled it as giving their member states the right to allow the suppresion of a race of people, whereas Nazi Germany condoned it as a nation.

    The motivation of the leaders was different, obvioulsy. As far as levels of violence - there was a huge difference, but the question was "in any way."

    And yes, for those who know me - I am from Alabama
    </font>[/QUOTE]Roger,

    Are you saying that there were no slave owners in the North? How about segregation? Is there any comparison between the American flag and the Swastika? I would say no for the same reasons I listed above about the Confederate Flag.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    The question in the poll was not about moral equivilance. It was "do they compare in any way." I think they do in the ways I pointed out. Simply numbers 1 and 2 would qualify for a "yes" answer. My reply had nothing to do with northern slaveholders.

    If the question was "Do you find the Confederate flag as onorous and offensive as the swastika" I would have voted no.
     
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    C4K said:

    "As far as levels of violence - there was a huge difference"

    The threat of coercion was always present in slavery: the whip, rape, separation of families, even death. None of which could be remedied by the courts because slaves were property, not people.

    The nation owes Chief Justice Taney a big thanks for the Dred Scott decision because it crystalized the hypocrisy of American democracy in relation to slavery.
     
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    Of course, the solution to tyranny, was more democracy.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison ... the only house in a slave State in which a free man can abide with honor. ~Thoreau
     
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    Very profound thought Granny, thank you.
     
  17. Dale

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    I apologize for not doing that in the first place as such statements should not be made without documentation...I don't have time to go into all of that right now but I did a quick Google search and found this from the New Hamshire Gazette:

    http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2
     
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    Absolutely not, period. "Heritage, not hatred."

    I am a Tennesseean, born and bred. I am proud to be from the South. And I am proud that the Confederate States of America was a part of that heritage, and thus part of what helped to make me who I am.

    However, I am not a racist, nor a bigot. I am just proud of my home and its history. I do not condone the use of slaves by either side of the War between the States. But I will stand and fight for the cause of those who wish to exercise the right to fly Dixie.

    Those who can only see hate and racism when they look upon the Confederate flag are the ones guilty of the exact crime they accuse the one flying the flag of. Just as the "Don't tread on me" flag is a part of our history, so is the stars and bars of the Confederate flag.

    "Heritage, not hatred."

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     

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