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  1. SaggyWoman

    SaggyWoman Active Member

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    There is a discussion in the women's forum about what is done at church.

    Many of the women do not have "titles". Just because the "title" does not exist, the job is still being done "by a woman". What is the difference between being given a title and doing the job?
     
    #1 SaggyWoman, Oct 1, 2005
  2. Dr. Bob

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    Baptists play word games.

    Many churches I know have only MEN be "deacons", but we all know their WIVES make the real decisions and make sure the work is done.

    BTW, men are to be leaders/decision makers. But every person - men, women, children - are to be actually DOING the work of the ministry. Eph 4:11

    It's that way in my family. I'm the man, the head of the house. My wife? She's the neck, and turns the head wherever she wants it to go . .

    But remember, If Mama ain't happy, ain't Nobody happy
     
    #2 Dr. Bob, Oct 1, 2005
  3. Ed Edwards

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    A rather large Baptist Church decided to have only MEN
    as Pastors. Women could NOT be Pastors but could be Ministers.

    So there were men who were:

    Senior PASTOR
    PASTOR OF Missions
    PASTOR OF Music

    And there were women who were staff memebers who were:

    MINISTER of Children
    MINISTER of Hospital Visitation
    MINISTER of Youth
    MINISTER of Senior Adults

    Anyway, one day one of those ladies used to working
    with the "Minister of Senior Adults" called
    for the Pastor of Missions. She got all flustered
    on the phone and asked for the "Minister of Passions" [​IMG]
     
    #3 Ed Edwards, Oct 1, 2005
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    I wholehearted agree with Dr. Bob!

    Deacons can perform the work of an elder (administrator/shepherd/preacher).

    Women perform the work of a deacon (servant).

    Pastors should be encouraging growth in their congregants and attempt to work themselves out of a job so greater work can be done.

    Rob
     
    #4 Deacon, Oct 1, 2005
  5. buckster75

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    I know what is going on in practice. What does the Bible say is the proper way?
     
    #5 buckster75, Oct 1, 2005
  6. SAMPLEWOW

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    I believe the doctor is right on target!!! :D
     
    #6 SAMPLEWOW, Oct 1, 2005
  7. Dr. Bob

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    "And God gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints to do the work of service, building up of the body of Christ"

    There are distinct ministries of elders (who are only men and only masculine noun/pronoun used) listed in the NT. Teaching and administrating, etc.

    But their main function is to equip ALL believers to do the work of serving.

    All of the other "positions" or "titles" are non-biblical and fit under the simple "work of service".
     
    #7 Dr. Bob, Oct 1, 2005
  8. buckster75

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    how bout authority? does the Bible give much to deacons? in Cobb's manual he says they have only what the church gives them that from scripture they have no more than any one else in church.
     
    #8 buckster75, Oct 1, 2005
  9. Dr. Bob

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    Deacons were simply servants of the church, assisting the elders like the "shamash" in the synagogue assisted there.

    Cleaning, helping with books, lights, building, serving widows and needy, etc.

    NEVER a "board"
    NEVER "decision making" power
    NEVER "authority"
    NEVER "leaders"

    Just good men and women, chosen by the body, to serve "officially". EVERY member of the body is to serve "unofficially".
     
    #9 Dr. Bob, Oct 1, 2005
  10. buckster75

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    and how many churches do you know where the deacons rule and lord over all?
     
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  11. buckster75

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    Say Doc. Bob do you think the appointments of deacons are for life? excepting where one fails to live up to the standard.
     
    #11 buckster75, Oct 1, 2005
  12. webdog

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    1Timothy 3:12 Let deacons each be the husband of one wife , managing their children and their own households well.
     
    #12 webdog, Oct 1, 2005
  13. SAMPLEWOW

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    webdog,
    what does one have to do with the other? I don't understand.
     
    #13 SAMPLEWOW, Oct 1, 2005
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    Samplewow, I'm not sure what you are asking.
     
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  15. SAMPLEWOW

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    The quote,and the verse
     
    #15 SAMPLEWOW, Oct 1, 2005
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    I got from Dr. Bob's post that he feels the role of women deacons are permissable, something I feel the Bible is pretty clear on.
     
    #16 webdog, Oct 1, 2005
  17. SAMPLEWOW

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    I can't be sure but I don't think any Baptist preacher from Wyoming would believe that much less keep his job.
     
    #17 SAMPLEWOW, Oct 1, 2005
  18. NomadsWife

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    Dr. Bob, could you please talk to my husband so he'll know I'm part of this team? :rolleyes: He seems to forget I'm here most of the time.

    NomadsWife
     
    #18 NomadsWife, Oct 2, 2005
  19. SaggyWoman

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    1Timothy 3:12 Let deacons each be the husband of one wife , managing their children and their own households well. </font>[/QUOTE]Some don't manage their family well.
     
    #19 SaggyWoman, Oct 3, 2005
  20. SaggyWoman

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    There were deaconesses in the Bible.
     
    #20 SaggyWoman, Oct 3, 2005
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