does you Church have "official" positions On cal/Arm/Second Coming etc?

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  1. DaChaser1

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    Do you have a defined statement of beliefs as regarding wether calvinism or not, pre mil Coming or not, spiritual gifts or not Etc?

    that members have to go by ONE way to view that, or is it open to differing viewpoints?
     
  2. Tom Bryant

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    Part of the problem with this question is that Baptists of any church can have differing opinions of an issue regardless of the church's "official" position.

    We don't have a specific written position, but I preach my convictions. I am not a Calvinist but we have Calvinist' Bible study teachers. I am pre-mill and we may have those who are different on eschatology than I am. We believe that there are spiritual gifts that the Holy Spirit gives but we do not believe that the ecstatic tongues that are practiced in Pent/Charismatic churches is what the bible describes as tongues in the 1st century. There may be those who speak in ecstatic tongues, but I don't know of any and i think they would probably be uncomfortable here.
     
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    more or less...this
    http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html
     
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    We are non-Cal AMIL's............:D
     
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    WHAT!!! not 1644? Not, New "NEW" Covenant Theology, Not "Me & my Bible" , Buddy Christ & Kumbaya & Open Theism.....come on ..... step up to the modern way of thinking Grandpa. Your way behind the times. :laugh:
     
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    How is it that a Old Regular Baptist church happens to not support Salvation by Grace theology? Im confused?

    Im not a Calvinist either....I dont believe in Pedo Baptism or their sacraments but I support DoG & am a Baptist. You however.... Is this your own personal stance AND the position of your Old Regular Baptist Church also? Im real confused.
     
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    I have respect for both you & your stance Tom. Your probably one of the few Non Cals I could probably have fellowship with.....up to a point. That you allow for Calvinists to be bible study teachers is fantastic....but if I may ask, where do you draw the line? You know my belief system well enough by now to understand that "My House" is Doctrines of Grace & I would want my family to know & embrace that faith.....so then, with that criterion in place, could we cohabitate in a church you pastor?
     
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    My fellowship with believers is not on the basis of what their stance is on what Calvinists call 'the doctrines of grace' because I fully believe in God's grace as the only means of salvation. My fellowship is based on if the person is a believer in Jesus Christ.

    I am not saying you do this, because I know what you believe, but many here make Calvinism seemingly the only point in fellowship in a church or even in a friendship. If you made Calvinism the main thrust of your teaching, then no we couldn't cohabit in the same church, although we could cohabit as friends. But it isn't just Calvinism I think that about. If a teacher made our premill position the main thrust of their teaching, I would feel the same.

    We try hard to be expositional not just in the preaching but in the teaching of adult classes. And to be truly expositional, you have to take all the Scripture, not just Romans 9-11 or Daniel/Revelation.

    I've been in ministry for 30 years and, although I have become more firm in what I believe to be the teaching of Scripture, I have also become more squishy :tongue3: in terms of the freedom I try to allow other believers to think is clearly taught in Scripture. I'm not always successful, but i try.
     
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    You get an A for effort Brother Tom. Of course it goes both ways....there are enough on the other side with their own narrow agenda, that would like nothing more to vilify another for their belief system.....its a real shame.
     
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    was just seeing how much "unity among the bethren" is being practiced here!

    can one believe DoG, another not, yet both membership in a church?
    same way one pre mil pre trib, another A mil?

    What would be dividing line to have membersip in local church based upon doctrines?
     
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    major dividers that I have seen/experienced are:

    Styles of worship
    Bible versions
    Following Law or Grace
    Spiritual Gifts yes/no

    really never seen split over cal/arm, or second coming issues!
     
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    Thanks, both sides in this issue try to villify each other and it is a real shame and it is certainly not glorifying to our heavenly Father.
     
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    Yes totally agree..... its probably an insult to God as well!
     
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    The ORB's in my area do hold to salvation by Grace. We are saved by Grace through faith.


    Some ORB assocs believe closer to the PB side. The SGA(Sovereign Grace Assoc of ORB), Bethel assoc ORB, Original Mountain Liberty, just to name a few, are much closer to the PB's in their doctrine. The SGA came from a split in NNS(Northern New Salem ORB). They went to the OML, and got an arm from them to form their association. The Bethel came from a split in the Union Assoc. of ORB in 1961(?). The New Salem and Union assocs. have churches within their assocs that are closer to the SGA, Bethel, OML, PB's, but have decided to stay in their assocs. These assocs, if they are like the PBs, do not think it's necessary to preach the gospel to the lost, because God will save His children regardless they hear the gospel preached or not. But that's in anutter thread already....:D

    My association, Indian Bottom, believes that Christ died for all, but only those who truly believe will be saved.
     
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    My reading of the Bible indicates that IF a person names Christ and is refusing to repent/confess known sinning, or if heretical doctrinesare being observed, only 2 reasons to "break the unity of the bethren!"

    don't see cal or not, time of the second coming etc as grounds!
     

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