Featured Doesn't Hebrews 2:3 Show The Sign Gifts Had Already Ceased?

I never said that the original 12 did not have a special place! Tell me DHK...who are the twelve that will sit on the twelve foundations?

And tell me when Eph. 4:1-13 took place..before or after Jesus ascended?

 

and many times I agreed that it was a sign to authenicate the apostles! But you limit them to just that! I do not!!

But you try to throw that scripture out..it is plain that the 9 gifts listed in 1 Cor. 12 are a manifestation of the Holy Spirit...IN CONTEXT! YOu also limit them to the Corinthian church and a certain age..that man has divided, not the Word!
I also have given several scriptures pointing to when they will cease...that you ignore!

YOu added to what the scriptures say in order to prove your theory. Paul did say he spoke in tongues more than all because tongues is talking to God not man 1 Cor. 14:2 .."but unto God". Paul prayed in the spirit more than all..this I will agree! But not your added commentary that is not backed up with scripture.

He would rather speak in a church tongues that all can understand. Because tongues without interpretation is not for the congregation.

 

Jesus dying on the cross fulfilled bible prophecy too! Has salvation ended?

THey were given to the church! NOt just the apostles..and the church is still being called out until Christ returns!

 

And the works of God are in the Bible! The Bible instructs us how to live in the Spirit!

 

1 Cor. 1:7,8; 14:1

Also His Word includes the manifestation of the Holy Spirit through the believers!

 

Walk in the Spirit; NOT walk in the manifestation of the Spirit! Where do you get that from. One verse contains the word "manifestation of the Spirit" and you build an entire doctrine around it! We are commanded to walk in the Spirit. 1Cor.12 speaks about the gifts of the Spirit that were revealed in the first century to that church for specific reasons. They are not revealed to us, nor were they manifested in other churches even in the first century.

He reminds them in the first chapter:
1 Corinthians 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
--They had all the gifts. They came behind in no gift. Never did he say that of any other church. Other churches didn't have all the gifts. Perhaps they were more mature and didn't need them. Corinthian believers were carnal. The gifts were to help them, but they were misusing them, even as Charismatics today are pretending to imitate them.

 

Raising the dead was a sign that Jesus was/is indeed the Son of God, and that the Apostles were sent from Christ.


Casting out demons was a sign to the people that Jesus was/is God, and that the Apostles were sent from Christ.


Walking on water was a sign to Peter that Jesus was/is God.


Speaking in tongues was a sign to the "outsiders" that they were the Apostles of Jesus Christ.


When's the last time anyone has ever heard of someone going into a funeral home and raising a corpse? When's the last time we have heard of someone walking on a puddle of water, let alone, a body of water? When's the last time anyone heard of someone/anyone casting out demons?.......I know some claim they have done this, and some state they have seen it done, but I have my doubts........


If someone/anyone can do ANY of these, then maybe, just maybe, I'll believe these signs haven't ceased. Until then, I will still remain in the group that believes that speaking in tongues, raising the dead, walking on water, and casting out demons, no longer can be done.

 

Allowing the HS to manifest His power through you is part of walking in the spirit.

The book of 1 Corinthians was a book of correction in most of the doctrines they were misusing...but part of the correction was to show how it was to be done the right way. No where does it say it is done away with. The verse you quoted told when they would be done away with...at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ..has this happened yet? NO!!!

 

Well, some like doubting Thomas has to be shown. But Jesus said blessed are those that do not have to see... and still believe!

Mark 16 is plain that those that believe what the apostles teach..signs will follow them. Most deny what the apostles really taught...the power of the Holy Spirit!

 

Jesus was speaking to the apostles in Mark 16.
Do you drink poisonous things?
Do you pick up deadly snakes?
These are the signs and wonders that followed. These kind of things would not harm them. Do they harm you?
The Spiritual gifts have ceased.

 

YOu need to do a research on what the snakes and poison is! No! they have not ceased! Only to those that explain them away in unbelief..

 

ANd I do not disagree with Jesus, I do rejoice in the fact that my name is written in the Book of Life! But the demons did obey them!

I agree that there will be false christ..but there is also a real one! So what does that prove?

That is why we need the gift of discernment!! That is why the gifts are still available to the church today! We need them more today than they did back then!

 

Have never denied that! But most deny the power and only have a form of godliness!

 

While I am not a cessationist it is quite apparent you have no clue what that means. You need to be more careful with context.