Dominionism: a Problem in Baptist churches.

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  1. Jillian

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    I was in a good indpt Baptist church for many years, loved my church family, learned Gods Word, still have contact with folks in my old church but sadly had to move for economic reasons. My church went down the path of keeping to Gods Word, knowing one was to obey laws and pray for leaders {give unto ceasar} but not holding them up to a point where they didnt belong. My last pastor was a humble and good man who taught us always to look to God's Word and test any preacher by it. I followed his advice here.

    I moved here, and walked out of a indp Baptist church that had been so infected by Dominionism I couldnt believe what was coming out of the preachers mouth.
    I ended up walking out.

    He preached Romans 13 but instead of adding the part about obeying God rather then men should same men order something against God's commandments, he preached "NO AUTHORITY IS TO BE QUESTIONED WHATSOEVER" and while on this powertrip he included himself and publically yelled at some church members for disobeying him over some matter I didnt know of being a newbie. Included a la Paul Crouch was a misinterpetation of "Touch not the Lord's Anointed" which he applied to himself and was really a warning against bodily harm against God's true prophets in the OT.

    I almost wanted to raise my hand and say "If this was true Id still be Catholic because they claim absolute authority as well" but didnt. He went on to say it is sin to criticize any leader using the present administration, :eek: and that even if Hillary was to become president we wouldnt be allowed to criticize her as well.:eek:

    Some folks out there have lost the plot and like Romanists desire the church marry the state, and that they both direct each other and the state FORCE everyone to be GOOD, instead of being saved and led by the Holy Spirit by the grace of God.

    This sadly is way Satan is infecting inpt fundamentalist Baptist churches. I know it is already predominant in many of the lukewarmers.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin418.htm
     
  2. tinytim

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    It is sad...
    One thing he missed that a lot of people miss today when looking at this passage, is we in the US have no king... The president is not king...

    We are the authority in the US... it is called a democratic republic.
    So, we, having the authority have every right in the Bible to question and critique our public SERVANTS... The president (and elected leaders) is a servant under our authority...

    That is why it is our God given duty to vote.
    We will answer for the sins of our nation... more so than the elected officials, because we are the authority.
     
  3. J.D.

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    Hello Jillian, I wouldn't call that "dominionism", as in dominion theology. I would call it "authoritarianism". 'Been there, done that. Just get out of there and find a good church and don't look back. But also beware of the opposite extreme. Some churches hand-cuff preachers and then fire them for being hand-cuffed. A mob can be as authoritarian as a dictator.
     
  4. Dr. Bob

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    Read Rom 13 again. Your "obey God rather than man" is NOT there.

    It simply says that IF you disobey civil authority, they have the right and responsibility to punish you.

    It does not say that you are to set yourself as judge as to whether the authority is
    good or bad
    moral or immoral
    right or wrong

    There is no wiggle room in the wording. ALL authority is decreed by God and derives authority from God (as Jesus told Pilate).

    If the "authority" makes evil or wrong choices, as did Pilate, they will answer to God. But we answer to the authority, as if to God.

    So if my civil authority (btw, Rom 13 is not talking about a church, a home or work - it deals with human governmen) tells me something contrary to God's clear teaching, I ought to obey the higher (God) authority.

    But I will be answerable and made end up in a lion's den or fiery furnace because of legitimate power of the civil authorities I defy.
     
  5. Palatka51

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    Bob and tinytim, you are so spot on that I have nothing to add.
    I consider our Church IFB and Jillian, you can come visit us at anytime. We believe in authority but it is not authority of men but of Christ.
    1Cor 11:3
    3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ;

    Ephesians 1:19-23
    19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
    20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
    21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
    22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
    23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

    If a pastor is preaching something contrary to God's Word then he must be challenged b y it.

    Sorry Bob and Tim, I couldn't help myself.
     
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  6. Jillian

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    Hey good argument and I agree. Things were allowed to go this bad because people did not pray or take responsibility.
     
  7. Jillian

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    Well I suppose he mixed the two together. He definitely gave a new meaning to authoritarianism. The lack of a humble nature really turned me off. My good last pastor was very humble. I know there can be both extremes. I left and didnt look back. Sadly this has put me in the place of being unable to find a good church so far, so this was a disappointment, I am praying to God to lead me to good Christian fellowship.

    Every other Baptist church here has joined with Rick Warren/RCC or is like going to a mainline church--Emergent, modernism, Advent and all. I am not KJV-ONLY like Ruckman and pals but I do not want to be in a church with a corrupted Bible like the NIV along with self-help sermons that talk more about pop psych then they do any real preaching. {Check out www.pastors.com, I can tell they are buying all their sermons around here} . I have Christian friends online who are in that place who have to home church it. I follow Mark 9,[​IMG]Mar 9:40 "For he that is not against us is on our part."

    I certainly do not think it is only indp Baptists going to heaven, but even with that the churches Ive seen have been so fallen away from scripture or united with Rome, what I know about Bible Prophecy is the only thing that explains why things are as bad as they are.
     
  8. Jillian

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    I bolded words Im answering.

    Sure that is what may happen just a warning.

    I believe one is to follow the laws, pay taxes etc, but if one is ordered to do something against God's commandments {lets say like take the mark} one is to refuse, and well if martyrship is the outcome, then we have been warned.

    The problem is some seem to have made the govt their God, and that is scary and the type of folks who seek after a THEOCRACY, are almost like Catholics who had their Inquisitions to force people to be a certain religion or held to a certain morality {of course most govts enforce laws to protect folks from criminal behavior}, rather then realizing this comes about via conversion and the Holy Spirit.

    The sad thing is you see evangelicals being played for fools. The republicans had them last time and now they are pushing" fight Aids", and Warrens P.E.A.C.E. plan and environmentalism to push them over to vote for HIllary. So manipulated. Warren even had Hillary over to do a speech even recently.
     
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    Not every pastor is Rick Warren, Jillian.

    I'd never heard the term dominionism! I thought we were talking about the Dominion from Star Trek!
     
  10. Jillian

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    Sure not many are him but they are definitely buying sermons from him.;) One can tell when they see the same sermon series everywhere.

    As for Dominionism, yeah this isnt something everyone is familar with but maybe this will help:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology

    Pat Robertson is an example of a known "Reconstructionist".
     
  11. Aaron

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    But it DOES say what the role of civil authority is.

    They only have the right as far as they do not terrorize good works.

    We're going to judge angels. How much more the matters pertaining to this life?

    Jesus said "power", not "authority." There is a difference. On the streets, a bully may have the power to steal from me or otherwise abuse me, but he doesn't have the authority.

    Only as he acts as God's minister.

    No government has legitimate power to persecute.
     

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