Don't Trust Your Pharmacist? Take a pill!!

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  1. Linda64

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    Wonder Drug Inspires Deep, Unwavering Love Of Pharmaceutical Companies

    March 6, 2006 | Issue 42•10


    NEW YORK—The Food and Drug Administration today approved the sale of the drug PharmAmorin, a prescription tablet developed by Pfizer to treat chronic distrust of large prescription-drug manufacturers.

    Pfizer executives characterized the FDA's approval as a "godsend" for sufferers of independent-thinking-related mental-health disorders.

    PharmAmorin, now relieving distrust of large pharmaceutical conglomerates in pharmacies nationwide.

    "Many individuals today lack the deep, abiding affection for drug makers that is found in healthy people, such as myself," Pfizer CEO Hank McKinnell said. "These tragic disorders are reaching epidemic levels, and as a company dedicated to promoting the health, well-being, and long life of our company's public image, it was imperative that we did something to combat them."

    Although many psychotropic drugs impart a generalized feeling of well-being, PharmAmorin is the first to induce and focus intense feelings of affection externally, toward for-profit drug makers. Pfizer representatives say that, if taken regularly, PharmAmorin can increase affection for and trust in its developers by as much as 96.5 percent.

    "Out of a test group of 180, 172 study participants reported a dramatic rise in their passion for pharmaceutical companies," said Pfizer director of clinical research Suzanne Frost. "And 167 asked their doctors about a variety of prescription medications they had seen on TV."

    Frost said a small percentage of test subjects showed an interest in becoming lobbyists for one of the top five pharmaceutical companies, and several browsed eBay for drug-company apparel.

    PharmAmorin, available in 100-, 200-, and 400-mg tablets, is classified as a critical-thinking inhibitor, a family of drugs that holds great promise for the estimated 20 million Americans who suffer from Free-Thinking Disorder.

    Pfizer will also promote PharmAmorin in an aggressive, $34.6 million print and televised ad campaign.

    One TV ad, set to debut during next Sunday's 60 Minutes telecast, shows a woman relaxing in her living room and reading a newspaper headlined "Newest Drug Company Scandal Undermines Public Trust." The camera zooms into the tangled neural matter of her brain, revealing a sticky black substance and a purplish gas.

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46032

    Free Thinking Disorder??????? Caused by a "chemical imbalance"??????? They can't be serious--can they? Do we trust the DSM-IV or do we trust God? We are becoming a nation of "mindless" zombies!
     
  2. StefanM

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    You do realize that The Onion is a joke/satire website, don't you?
     
  3. Bro. Curtis

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    Hey Linda, I've been burned on that one, too.

    Laugh at yerself, & try again. I enjoy reading your posts.
     
  4. Linda64

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    It really doesn't matter if The Onion is a joke/satire website, the pharmaceutical industry is making "big" bucks off of misinformed Americans. I can find alot of articles (not in The Onion), in regular news sources about how Americans are being fooled by the pharmaceutical industry and the APA (American Psychiatric Association) who publishes the DSM-IV. Here's a link to another article:

    http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/143/27/

    This one is NOT a joke nor is it satire.
     
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    I take it you do not used prescription drugs since you keep posting about the evils of medications.
     
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    I use about 7 prescription drugs for various PHYSICAL problems--I am not against medications for real physical problems--what bothers me is the medications for "mental" conditions that have not been proven scientifcally and nobody knows for sure what the long term affects of these mind altering drugs are. Plus, nobody has been tested for "chemical imbalances" in the brain---but it has been learned that these "mind altering" drugs can cause "chemical imbalances" that probably didn't exist before.

    When the DSM keeps changing year after year by the APA (American Psychiatiric Association), one begins to wonder which "disorder" is authentic or just guesses--and this DSM is the "bible" of the APA---and Americans are getting ripped off because of it.
     
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    It sounds like to me that you're speaking from both sides of the mouth. I am not a doctor, and most of the drugs you are talking about has to have a prescription.

    It's nice to say we take medicine because it's "needed" but just because you haven't had to use any "mental" drugs, or want to use them, don't go knocking them. I know alot of people, that need them to live and funcition<sp> a "normal" life.

    Now, I would agree with you IF you were talking about people that ABUSED them. But to just draw a line with drugs that you happen to NOT be taking, is wrong.

    Do you have a medical degree? If not, then you know no more or no less than anyone who is on these drugs for legitate reasons.

    My Mom and Dad are 75 and 71 and they are on a lot of things that I ask about, and they ask their doctor about, but they take NOTHING unless he has described what it's for, how long it should be taken for, and what the side effects are.

    That to me is a lot different then people just taking drugs to "feel good". So, unless you're talking about those peolpe, in my opinion, you're wrong in your claims.


    Jamie
     
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    Jamie--

    What I am talking about is how the American public is being ripped off by the pharmaceutical industry---the APA (American Psychiatric Association) has a diagnostic manual called the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual)--which was first published in 1952 and had 107 "disorders"--now, it's in it's 4th publication (DSM-IV) and has 364 "disorders" listed and it keeps changing. With every new "disorder" listed, the pharmaceutical industry has a new drug--isn't that amazing? I see a pattern here---new "disorder" diagnosed>new drug being manufactured by the pharmaceutical industry, which are then "approved by the FDA. We are being used as human guinea pigs for these new drugs. Just do a search on google and see the connection--Americans are being ripped off. If you can take a drug to "balance" you out, everything will be just peachy--NOT!! It not the ABUSE of these drugs, it's the proliferation of these drugs which are made more and more available to a gullible public.

    People are going to rely more and more on "drugs" to solve problems and not rely on God. Then we wonder why God is being forsaken? Think about it.

    And no, I am not a medical doctor. You don't need a medical degree to see what is going on here.
     
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    And this method is different from the way the pills you take is?... I personally am glad they fight disorders and dieases with new drugs. Can you imagine if they had stopped with the snake oil in the 1800's and said they is all we need?

    What about the cure for:

    The Cold?
    Headache?
    High Blood Pressure?
    Asmtha
    Diabetes?
    HIV?

    How do you think they made the drugs to fight these illnesses? Trial, Error, testing, testing testing.

    Now, I can agree that we are being ripped off! I believe *some* drugs are over priced, however you do have to pay for the R&D of them, so maybe they are not.

    I have thought about it, and it don't wash out. You can claim that VERY SAME claim with money or any number of things. People will make more money getting degrees and thus will not know God they way they should. etc.

    It states, God knows his children, and the records have been written. If the person is a Child of God, the Holy Spirit will bring them around.

    You have to learn to trust in the power of God more. Drugs are not more powerful than the God I worship.


    No, but stating some of the things you have, you would need a degree to back it up I think, at least that is my opinion.

    Step back and think about the drugs you take each day.

    What would happen if you didn't take them?
    How did they come about in the first place?
    Who tested them?

    Then answer, why are they any different than the ones you are complaining about?


    Jamie
     
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    then i suggest you don't takes meds if you have a problem with them, but you ought to let people decide from themselves if they work for them. if you've never had a problem then you wouldn't know anything about what meds do and don't do, but people who take them know the difference.
     
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    you do need a medical degree to dispense medical advice though, otherwise it is practicing medicine without a license.
    i've never been to a psychiatrist, but my medical doctor, the one with the license, decides which drugs I need.
    so according to you people who take medications are not relying on God, they are forsaking Him?
    it is so sad to see christians attack people who are sick and need medications, their degree of self righteousness is nauseating.
    so, what is it when people post false news stories?
     
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    Good point DonnA. I agree 100%. :thumbs:

     
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    Donna,

    Neither Linda, nor I have a medical degree; but I have taught classes at Christopher Newport College on Anatomy and Human Health.

    I do know some about psychology, psychiatry and medicine. I was required to study such and teach it as part of my duties at the college.

    It has not been proven that these medicines that are given do anything but cover the problem. They do not remove it altogether. It has also been recorded in many psychological books that these drugs are only a control substance... they keep the person calm, or they stimulate certain brain functions to cause a person to be more active. Long term effects of these drugs are unsure.

    So many turn to these drugs and are becoming, as my wife pointed out, 'mindless zombies.' They cannot think for themselves without this drug or that drug.

    Drugs that alter the way a person thinks are dangerous ground.

    No, neither of us have medical degrees, but we do have common sense.... we do have book knowledge... we do have the Holy Spirit to show us who we should turn to for things concerning our minds and how we should think.

    And no medical degree is needed to give Godly advice to people who are taking drugs that alter their thinking processes.
     
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    I'm waiting for Tom Cruise to chime in with his opinion! :)
     
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    The problem is that so many drugs developed today are not to cure any problem, but are used as maintenance drugs which you will have to take the rest of your life.

    While it is true that this is sometimes the case (for instance I am a diabetic and will probably take insulin for the rest of my life), it seems odd that over the past five or so years there are myriads of drugs for a bunch of new diseases.

    In the past I was given, beside my insulin, medicine for high cholesterol, medicine to help me sleep, and medicine for a host of other problems I was told that might be my problem. Then there was medicine to control some of the side effects of the medicine I was taking. Finally, I quit taking almost all medicine and began to feel better. After monitoring myself, I was able to ascertain which medicine I actually needed and which I did not.

    Too often today doctors give out medicine without actually testing to see if the medicine is actually needed. It's like when I went to a doctor years ago with a cold and was given antibiotics. I told the doctor that I had read that almost all colds are caused by viruses and that antibiotics did not do anything to help kill viruses. He said this was true, but that patients wanted some medicine to take so he normally prescribed antibiotics to keep his patients happy. This was my last visit to this particular doctor.

    I think that we are likely to find that there is too close a connection between many doctors and pharmaceutical companies, and this causes me great concern.
     
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    Sadly, the worst victims of that method are children. In the 9 years I spent in the juvinile delinquent field, I witnessed thousands of experiments in medicating children. Meds were increased, decreased, cut off....serious drugs, like stelazine, & melloril, by resident doctors & psychiatrists, often without telling the direct care staff.

    I wouldn't doubt it if they ran a pool & took odds on how the kids would react.

    I became extremely skeptical of the entire mental health world after working in it.
     
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    In other news:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45360

    I love the onion
     
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    BINGO!! In the words of my father, who was an attorney: "I rest my case!"
     
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    I agree Bro Curtis--when my boys were 8 and 10 years old, they were put on Ritalin--thank the Lord that they were not on that long--it wasn't doing any good anyway. It was actually making them more hyperactive than they were before they started taking it. Once they came off Ritalin, I reduced the amount of sugar in their diet--that did the trick!!
     
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    But you see, you didn't "Rest your case" and you only made MY point. Drugs in general are NOT bad as you claim. ABUSED DRUGS are bad.

    A Doctor can abuse the right to prescribe, a patient can abuse their right to take etc. It's of couse up to the patient, or parent if the patient is a kid, to montior and ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS before taking drugs.

    AS I stated before, My folks are on some drugs because they are getting up in years now, are they abusing them? No. They in fact refuse more than they take, but just because a drugs can be ABUSED doesn't make it BAD as your CLAIM.


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