Double Standards and Gender

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by jaigner, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. jaigner

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    It gets discussed in theologically left circles but on the whole Baptists are settled on this.
     
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    Saying that using the term homemaker is putting women down and Dorthy Patterson is a joke is out of line. Nothing credible to see here.
     
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    The term "evangelicals has lost its meaning. It is a useless title that includes everyone looking for credibility on any given issue. To include the left.
     
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    That's your answer every time the word liberal or left is brought up. "They are evangelicals!" Who says that evangelicals can't be liberals?
     
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    That's not what she was saying. There's nothing wrong with the term, but the fact that the website lists all the women first as "homemakers" is absurd.
     
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    They can be political liberals I suppose, but not theological liberals.

    You can read about theological liberalism here. Being liberal doesn't have anything to do with your position on women in ministry.
     
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    Yes, it does. From your source:

    "[Liberalism] is an attempt to incorporate modern thinking and developments, especially in the sciences, into the Christian faith."

    Your source also cites that Liberalism birthed "theological Feminism".
     
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    That is exactly what she said. No revision from you can change that.
     
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    Actually they are left-leaning. Straight out of the CBF. Bruce Gourley, whom you cited, is anything but a conservative Baptist.

    How can it not?
     
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    Not to mention such a claim is childish.
     
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    I didn't say they were SBC fundamentalists. The rest of the evangelical world has left the SBC behind, and probably for good reason.

    The sum of Protestant liberalism is denying the supernatural events in the history of Christianity, "higher" textual criticism, and a skewed Christology and soteriology. To be sure, many mainline ministers, male and female, are fully products of its thinking.

    But I'm talking about people who believe in the authority of Scripture and
    the necessity of biblical salvation. They just happen to disagree on the interpretation of the text. Saying a belief in women in ministry is liberal is like saying paedobaptism is liberal, and we all know many evangelicals, who believe in Christ and the Bible and have a personal relationship with Christ, baptize babies.

    Hmmm...funny you would say so.

    Not any more hateful than many of your arguments. In fact, quite a bit nicer than some. And a very frank look at the difference between true evangelical women who are following God's call on their lives with freedom to the delusional gender practices of SBC "higher education." It's sad the mockery that is being made of SWBTS.

    Again, the "liberal" tag is without merit. Do you mean politically? Cause you can't possibly mean theological liberals.
     
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    Wow, those women should be on this BB. There is so much misconceptions and strawmen arguments that it is useless. While they get some things right (women should not be pastors), they get so much wrong. Being a homemaker does not mean a woman cannot engage in academics or other things. Rather, the focus of their ministry is the home, not the workplace.

    They need to not only read the Danvers Statement, they should read Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.
     
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    I guess I just don't see what's wrong with women pastors. I have always believed it was biblical, since the passages about women being in authority were only meant for one audience.
     
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    Given the context, how do you know it was only for one audience? I believe the opposite considering this principle begins with Adam and was maintained as Biblical for thousands of years to Paul's time, it seems the one audience is all humanity, not just Timothy.
     
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    Let's remember that it was not too many years ago that pastors and teachers were teaching that women should not work outside the home. They seemed to have forgotten Prov. 31. A motivated business woman does not have to forget her home. In fact her motivation is very much an asset to her husband and home. She is a business woman who can also help to provide for the home. My family dating back to Europe were all businessmen and their wives were a part of that. My mom and grandmother all helped on the farm. They helped drive the tractors, farm machinery, and milk the cows. How many men work like that today.

    The church is full of lazy men who watch the women work.

    Most every Baptist pastor will tell you that if it were not for the women in the church not much would get done. Maybe it is about time for the men to do something.
     

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