Downsizing the Ten Commandments

Just to excuse yourself from God's Sabbath - to what lengths will a man go?

 

I am quite serious Bob. They are as much a red herring and a rabbit trail as you lead us on every time you quote that passage from Isa.66. That has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath today, and yet you use it all the time. It is simply a red herring. If you want to start a topic on the Millennial Kingdom do so, but why bring that red herring into this thread?

 

Before you start throwing around false accusations you better get your facts right. I will give you a chance to redeem yourself. Find some quotes where I said that God sanctified Sunday and hallowed it. Did I say that? I hope you have proof of this slander. Then you can retract the accusation of calling me god. For I don't believe either of what you have accused me of. Neither have I said such.

 

Is66 speaks of the Sabbath (Seventh Day -- the 'Jews sabbath') being feasted today, the Gospel era or New Earth. That, is the correct, truth, dear DHK.
I'm afraid we have not seen that Scripture come true YET.

 

GE:
I'm glad to have read this post, but am afraid I would be dishonest to retract - not until I have heard from you what you practice every week of your life - if your words correspond with your deeds. I am even prepared at this very moment to retract and to apologise - in advance - conditionally though that I might learn your profession and life agree in this regard.

 

And with respect to this same post of DHK's -- is it not very much an acknowledgement it is God only who sanctifies the Sabbath? If it is God then, it is not 'set apart' for anyone but God -- not for the Jews. In DHK's manner of speech, God never gave the Sabbath to the Jews; He made it for Himself. Therefore the Sabbath will last as long as it is God's pleasure.

 

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The fulness of the Gentiles has not yet come. Israel is still in a state of blindness. She has been set on a shelf by God, so to speak. Thus the Sabbath is no longer in effect. Nether are the feasts or Temple worship, as there is no Temple.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

It is plain to see that the Sabbath was given to Israel, and only to Israel and to her generations forever. But Israel are not the chosen people of God right now. If they want to be saved they must be saved through the shed blood of Christ like any other Gentile, like any other person. God is calling out a nation for himself, not through Israel. The Sabbath is no longer in effect.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Peter writing to Christians tells them that we are an holy nation, not the nation of Israel. We are not compelled to keep the Sabbath.

I never said that Sunday was hallowed or sanctified. You need to withdraw your words on the basis of what you say, not on the basis of what I do. Unless you can find a quote where I said such, you simply lied.

 

The Sabbath was "made for mankind." (Mark 2:27)
"There is no God" (Prov.14:1)

This is the kind of proof-texting Bob does. Notice how only a portion of a verse is quoted in both cases with the context left out. Is this really what the Bible teaches?

 

Ummmm DHK??? do you have the wrong verse there... atleast Bob is on the right page. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: In my bible Pro. 14:1 says...

Pro 14:1 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

 

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Thanks for letting me know of the wrong reference Music.
But the point stands nevertheless. If we sought to prove our theology the way that Bob does we could easily come to the conclusion that the Bible teaches that there is no God. Bob doesn't quote full verses, and avoids the context just to make his point.

 

My daddy (Bap. Evang.) always taught me to always read a little ahead and below a quote a preacher makes out of the bible to be sure he's right. For the fact that DHK touched on. SO far Bob is hitting the mark just fine. Only on thing that I stress even if you do keep the sabbath be aware not t use it as an excuse not to help someone in need. Even on a Sunday if you see someone broke down while going to church... do you pass them by and say we'll get our Sunday go to chuch suit dirty or I just don't have time to help them or I'll be late for church.
Funny that we might all be guilty of this and never took time to stop for a minuet and remember what God did for us.

Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Remember the sabbath day... true, but Jesus put a new spin on it didn't he. The same as in Bobs verse that he quotes in Mark 2:27 start in verse 26.

 

I see what you say and heres one more point. I hear people say, "We ought to read what Jesus did also and use it as an example on how we ought to live our lives.

Does everyone agree with this? I do.

Mark 1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Mark 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue:

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luk 6:6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.


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Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.


Are we Gentiles?.. When did they desire for those words to be preached again?... Aha! The next sabbath!

 

Those gentiles did not observe the Sabbath as they were not Jewish. They came to hear Paul preach, which HE did on the Sabbath.